D300 took years to fall to 1/2 price. D7000 took months.

Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

nospam

2014-03-09 05:22:04 UTC

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

2014-03-09 11:09:52 UTC

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

Having just picked up a 7100 this week, as my D200/D300 each exhibit
various fallings, I would say it is immediately apparent upon picking
it up that it not in the class a 400 would be.

nospam

2014-03-09 14:21:31 UTC

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

Having just picked up a 7100 this week, as my D200/D300 each exhibit
various fallings, I would say it is immediately apparent upon picking
it up that it not in the class a 400 would be.

what features would you put in a d400 that the d7100 lacks?

2014-03-09 16:05:19 UTC

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

Having just picked up a 7100 this week, as my D200/D300 each exhibit
various fallings, I would say it is immediately apparent upon picking
it up that it not in the class a 400 would be.

what features would you put in a d400 that the d7100 lacks?

Bigger buffer, real weather sealing, better release mechanism on the
door to flash memory, controls layout similar to D200/300. It reminds
me of the my old D70. The release mode dial and lock button are quite
difficult to operate even with very thin Head digital activity gloves
on. Forget about operating it with any real gloves on. Doesn't even
have a way to use a snap on monitor protector. Heck, the D70 even had
one of those.

This is just after one morning's shooting.

2014-03-09 20:17:41 UTC

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

Having just picked up a 7100 this week, as my D200/D300 each exhibit
various fallings, I would say it is immediately apparent upon picking
it up that it not in the class a 400 would be.

what features would you put in a d400 that the d7100 lacks?

Nikon also leaves out one-click zoom to selected focus point / centre of
focus point group (centre button of 4 way selector ) in image review in
their models below D*00 pro/prosumer models. Cost to implement this in
all of their dslrs should be close to nothing - it's only a firmware
feature.
If you're used to using this feature, then not having it may be a major
inconvenience (reviewing a burst sequence using zoom and scroll is a PITA).

Savageduck

2014-03-09 22:33:29 UTC

Post by Me

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

Having just picked up a 7100 this week, as my D200/D300 each exhibit
various fallings, I would say it is immediately apparent upon picking
it up that it not in the class a 400 would be.

what features would you put in a d400 that the d7100 lacks?

Nikon also leaves out one-click zoom to selected focus point / centre
of focus point group (centre button of 4 way selector ) in image review
in their models below D*00 pro/prosumer models.

Strangely enough I use that feature quite often with my D300S.

Post by Me
Cost to implement this in all of their dslrs should be close to nothing
- it's only a firmware feature.
If you're used to using this feature, then not having it may be a major
inconvenience (reviewing a burst sequence using zoom and scroll is a PITA).

I have this feeling that Nikon has abandoned its APS-C (DX) prosumer
DSLRs, but just hasn't made the announcement yet, in the hope that you
will buy a FF/FX out of frustration waiting for a D400. They won't
admit that the D600/D610 is not what D300S owners want, and neither are
the D7000/D7100.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

RichA

2014-03-10 02:35:12 UTC

Post by Savageduck
I have this feeling that Nikon has abandoned its APS-C (DX) prosumer
DSLRs, but just hasn't made the announcement yet, in the hope that you
will buy a FF/FX out of frustration waiting for a D400. They won't
admit that the D600/D610 is not what D300S owners want, and neither are
the D7000/D7100.

A shabby way to try to force users to move to FF with its high-priced lenses, which Nikon apparently needs to sell in greater and greater numbers to keep paying their bills.

PeterN

2014-03-10 20:37:26 UTC

Post by RichA

A shabby way to try to force users to move to FF with its high-priced lenses, which Nikon apparently needs to sell in greater and greater numbers to keep paying their bills.

Some people are quite happy with Tamron FF.

--
PeterN

Floyd L. Davidson

2014-03-10 21:15:25 UTC

Post by RichA
A shabby way to try to force users to move to FF with
its high-priced lenses, which Nikon apparently needs
to sell in greater and greater numbers to keep paying
their bills.

Some people are quite happy with Tamron FF.

And lets do hope, thank goodness, that Nikon keeps paying
their bills and producing such great cameras!

Nikon Rumors just posted the DxOmark ratings for the new
D4s, and compared them to several other cameras. Here
is the "Overall Score" ranking:

Score Model Notes
===== ===== =====
95 Nikon D800 (highest Color Depth rating at 25.3,
tied with D610 for highest Dynamic Ranage)

94 Nikon D610 (highest Dynamic Range rating at 14.4,
tied with the D800)

89 Nikon D4s

89 Nikon Df (highest "Low Light" rating at 3279)

89 Nikon D4

82 Nikon D3s (Lowest Color Depth at 23.5, tied with D700)

82 Canon 1Dx (Color depth 23.8, "Low Light" 2786, Dynamic
Range 11.8, all next to the lowest)

81 Canon 5D3 (Lowest "Low Light" rating at 2293, lowest
Dynamic Range at 11.7)

80 Nikon D700 (Lowest Color Depth at 23.5, tied with D3s)

Note that Canon's latest top line models just barely match up to
what Nikon produced a generation back.

It does appear that the "shabby way" Nikon moves users to FF is
actually just a case of producing the best DSLR cameras
available. And those who appreciate the best DSLR cameras do
want Nikon to continue doing just that!

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ***@apaflo.com

PeterN

2014-03-10 23:27:25 UTC

Post by Floyd L. Davidson

Post by RichA
A shabby way to try to force users to move to FF with
its high-priced lenses, which Nikon apparently needs
to sell in greater and greater numbers to keep paying
their bills.

Some people are quite happy with Tamron FF.

And lets do hope, thank goodness, that Nikon keeps paying
their bills and producing such great cameras!
Nikon Rumors just posted the DxOmark ratings for the new
D4s, and compared them to several other cameras. Here
Score Model Notes
===== ===== =====
95 Nikon D800 (highest Color Depth rating at 25.3,
tied with D610 for highest Dynamic Ranage)
94 Nikon D610 (highest Dynamic Range rating at 14.4,
tied with the D800)
89 Nikon D4s
89 Nikon Df (highest "Low Light" rating at 3279)
89 Nikon D4
82 Nikon D3s (Lowest Color Depth at 23.5, tied with D700)
82 Canon 1Dx (Color depth 23.8, "Low Light" 2786, Dynamic
Range 11.8, all next to the lowest)
81 Canon 5D3 (Lowest "Low Light" rating at 2293, lowest
Dynamic Range at 11.7)
80 Nikon D700 (Lowest Color Depth at 23.5, tied with D3s)
Note that Canon's latest top line models just barely match up to
what Nikon produced a generation back.
It does appear that the "shabby way" Nikon moves users to FF is
actually just a case of producing the best DSLR cameras
available. And those who appreciate the best DSLR cameras do
want Nikon to continue doing just that!

I have owned Nikons since the early 1970s, and never thought of Nikon
treating its customers in a shabby manner. They are not always as
transparent as I would like, but I think that is more of a cultural
thing. e.g. When the left focus issue surfaced I brought my camera to
Nikon repair. After less than an hour they told me I had no problem. I
will never really know if I had the problem and they fixed it, or they
just tested the camera. Because of the time they had it, I suspect the
former, but all I care about is that I don't have the problem.
I ha ve always found their repair people to be accomodating, even though
I am not a professional.

--
PeterN

RichA

2014-03-21 06:07:15 UTC

Those raters are very forgiving.

Post by Floyd L. Davidson
Score Model Notes
===== ===== =====
95 Nikon D800 (highest Color Depth rating at 25.3,
tied with D610 for highest Dynamic Ranage

Years of focusing problems .

Post by Floyd L. Davidson
94 Nikon D610 (highest Dynamic Range rating at 14.4,
tied with the D800)

Only introduced because of the disaster that was the D600.

Post by Floyd L. Davidson
89 Nikon D4s

Warmed over aging D4 with a ridiculously (and lets face it, useless, 400,000 ISO rating.

Post by Floyd L. Davidson
89 Nikon Df (highest "Low Light" rating at 3279)

Despised by too many after years of people "saying" they wanted this.

Post by Floyd L. Davidson
89 Nikon D4
82 Nikon D3s (Lowest Color Depth at 23.5, tied with D700)

A great camera.

Post by Floyd L. Davidson
80 Nikon D700 (Lowest Color Depth at 23.5, tied with D3s)

Another great camera from a bygone era.

Post by Floyd L. Davidson
It does appear that the "shabby way" Nikon moves users to FF is
actually just a case of producing the best DSLR cameras
available. And those who appreciate the best DSLR cameras do
want Nikon to continue doing just that!

He's a Happy, happy, joy, joy "company man."

2014-03-16 20:59:48 UTC

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

Having just picked up a 7100 this week, as my D200/D300 each exhibit
various fallings, I would say it is immediately apparent upon picking
it up that it not in the class a 400 would be.

what features would you put in a d400 that the d7100 lacks?

What nospam, no come back?

nospam

2014-03-16 21:26:31 UTC

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

Having just picked up a 7100 this week, as my D200/D300 each exhibit
various fallings, I would say it is immediately apparent upon picking
it up that it not in the class a 400 would be.

what features would you put in a d400 that the d7100 lacks?

What nospam, no come back?

the weather sealing is the same as a d300. the buffer isn't as big, but
that's rarely an issue in most situations. the control layout and door
mechanism are *very* subjective and slrs are a rule are hard to use
with gloves anyway.

nikon decided to position a camera above the top selling d70/d80/d90
series that's in many ways a successor for the d200/d300 (not all, nor
does it need to be all).

they also positioned the d600 for roughly what the d400 would likely
have been. it many ways, it is also a successor to the d300 series.

in other words, the d300 split into something a little above and a
little below, with both being successors. thats a good thing. now the
user has a choice of two paths.

there would have been a lot of overlap had there been a d400 and given
the success of the d7000/d7100, they chose well.

PeterN

2014-03-17 09:58:26 UTC

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

Having just picked up a 7100 this week, as my D200/D300 each exhibit
various fallings, I would say it is immediately apparent upon picking
it up that it not in the class a 400 would be.

what features would you put in a d400 that the d7100 lacks?

What nospam, no come back?

the weather sealing is the same as a d300. the buffer isn't as big, but
that's rarely an issue in most situations. the control layout and door
mechanism are *very* subjective and slrs are a rule are hard to use
with gloves anyway.
nikon decided to position a camera above the top selling d70/d80/d90
series that's in many ways a successor for the d200/d300 (not all, nor
does it need to be all).
they also positioned the d600 for roughly what the d400 would likely
have been. it many ways, it is also a successor to the d300 series.
in other words, the d300 split into something a little above and a
little below, with both being successors. thats a good thing. now the
user has a choice of two paths.
there would have been a lot of overlap had there been a d400 and given
the success of the d7000/d7100, they chose well.

Ah! The marketing expert speaks yet again.

--
PeterN

nospam

2014-03-17 12:52:38 UTC

Post by PeterN
Ah! The marketing expert speaks yet again.

go bitch at nikon and tell them they're wrong.

PeterN

2014-03-17 22:46:43 UTC

Post by PeterN
Ah! The marketing expert speaks yet again.

go bitch at nikon and tell them they're wrong.

it's you who knows all about their motives.I humbly apologize for
questioning yet another of your pontifications.

--
PeterN

nospam

2014-03-18 00:26:50 UTC

Post by PeterN
Ah! The marketing expert speaks yet again.

go bitch at nikon and tell them they're wrong.

it's you who knows all about their motives.I humbly apologize for
questioning yet another of your pontifications.

they didn't pick their strategy at random.

i'm *quite* sure that nikon knows *way* more about the camera industry
than you do (not that would be difficult).

nikon decided that they wanted to have something between the d90 and
d300 and between the d300 and d700. it's worked out well (other than
some manufacturing issues).

but feel free to set them straight. maybe they could use your supposed
expertise. or maybe they'll just laugh at your stupidity.

PeterN

2014-03-18 01:23:25 UTC

Post by PeterN
Ah! The marketing expert speaks yet again.

go bitch at nikon and tell them they're wrong.

it's you who knows all about their motives.I humbly apologize for
questioning yet another of your pontifications.

they didn't pick their strategy at random.
i'm *quite* sure that nikon knows *way* more about the camera industry
than you do (not that would be difficult).
nikon decided that they wanted to have something between the d90 and
d300 and between the d300 and d700. it's worked out well (other than
some manufacturing issues).
but feel free to set them straight. maybe they could use your supposed
expertise. or maybe they'll just laugh at your stupidity.

You are amazing. Here's another question that you will not directly answer.
Just exactly where did I criticize Nikon?
Indeed I marvel at you knowledge of the thinking of a successful
Japanese company.

BTW It would be interesting to know how you have even a rudimentary
understanding of Japanese culture. My understanding comes from years of
acting as a business and legal adviser to Japanese and Korean
corporations, whose names would be familiar to you.

--
PeterN

nospam

2014-03-18 02:27:47 UTC

Post by PeterN
Here's another question that you will not directly answer.

wrong.

Post by PeterN
Just exactly where did I criticize Nikon?

try to keep up. i told you the reasons why nikon did what they did and
then you tried to turn it into a bash me session, which of course
failed, as it always does.

what you refuse to acknowledge is that nikon has their reasons for
splitting the d300 line as they did. they know more about the camera
industry than you or i do. if you think you know better, go tell them
they're wrong. good luck.

Post by PeterN
Indeed I marvel at you knowledge of the thinking of a successful
Japanese company.
BTW It would be interesting to know how you have even a rudimentary
understanding of Japanese culture. My understanding comes from years of
acting as a business and legal adviser to Japanese and Korean
corporations, whose names would be familiar to you.

i wasn't commenting on the japanese culture. more of your twisting.

PeterN

2014-03-18 10:07:44 UTC

Post by PeterN
Here's another question that you will not directly answer.

wrong.

Post by PeterN
Just exactly where did I criticize Nikon?

try to keep up. i told you the reasons why nikon did what they did and
then you tried to turn it into a bash me session, which of course
failed, as it always does.
what you refuse to acknowledge is that nikon has their reasons for
splitting the d300 line as they did. they know more about the camera
industry than you or i do. if you think you know better, go tell them
they're wrong. good luck.

Stop twisting. Do answer the question. You gave very specific reasons
that were stated as fact, not opinion. I challenged the basis for your
statement. In response you accuse me of Nikon bashing. As I suspected,
we have seen no clear comment from you where I bashed Nikon.
You do have to learn the difference between fact and opinion.

i wasn't commenting on the japanese culture. more of your twisting.

Because you understand neither.

--
PeterN

nospam

2014-03-18 12:50:32 UTC

Post by PeterN
Just exactly where did I criticize Nikon?

try to keep up. i told you the reasons why nikon did what they did and
then you tried to turn it into a bash me session, which of course
failed, as it always does.
what you refuse to acknowledge is that nikon has their reasons for
splitting the d300 line as they did. they know more about the camera
industry than you or i do. if you think you know better, go tell them
they're wrong. good luck.

Stop twisting. Do answer the question. You gave very specific reasons
that were stated as fact, not opinion.

i'm not twisting anything and i did answer it. you just don't like the
answer you got. look at what nikon did with the d300->d7000/d600
transition. it's obvious. too bad if you can't see it. maybe you ought
to stfu.

PeterN

2014-03-18 13:36:30 UTC

Post by PeterN
Just exactly where did I criticize Nikon?

try to keep up. i told you the reasons why nikon did what they did and
then you tried to turn it into a bash me session, which of course
failed, as it always does.
what you refuse to acknowledge is that nikon has their reasons for
splitting the d300 line as they did. they know more about the camera
industry than you or i do. if you think you know better, go tell them
they're wrong. good luck.

Stop twisting. Do answer the question. You gave very specific reasons
that were stated as fact, not opinion.

"Just exactly where did I criticize Nikon?" It is a clear and
unambiguous question. It does not require a rant, just a reference:
I asked that question in response to the following statement by you:

"but feel free to set them straight. maybe they could use your supposed
expertise. or maybe they'll just laugh at your stupidity."

To paraphrase: I am still waiting for my answer.
I anticipate a long wait, so I will do other thngs while waiting.

--
PeterN

nospam

2014-03-18 14:48:00 UTC

Post by PeterN
I anticipate a long wait, so I will do other thngs while waiting.

hopefully ones which take you away from the computer.

PeterN

2014-03-18 17:29:00 UTC

Post by PeterN
I anticipate a long wait, so I will do other thngs while waiting.

hopefully ones which take you away from the computer.

\

I understand your feelings. I might call you out on another inane statement.

My conclusion is that you lied when You said I was wrong. You still
haven't answered my question, asI said you wouldn't .

--
PeterN

2014-03-18 23:31:21 UTC

Post by nospam
the weather sealing is the same as a d300.

Wrong at the get go. There is no weather sealing what-so-ever on the
door to the storage media and just guess what side of the camera faces
up when slung cross body over the right shoulder when using something
like a Blackrapid strap?

Post by nospam
the buffer isn't as big, but
that's rarely an issue in most situations. the control layout and door
mechanism are *very* subjective and slrs are a rule are hard to use
with gloves anyway.

So over on the raw converter thread you push features I have no need
for in your preferred tool and now you call features I need and would
even prefer to pay more for subjective.

What a clairvoyant. You are consistent though.

nospam

2014-03-19 00:50:30 UTC

Post by nospam
the weather sealing is the same as a d300.

check again.

<http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/>

With effective sealing applied on various parts of the body, it
secures weather and dust resistance, equivalent to the D800 series
and D300S.

So over on the raw converter thread you push features I have no need
for in your preferred tool and now you call features I need and would
even prefer to pay more for subjective.

i didn't say you didn't need those features.

what i said was that it's rarely an issue in most situations, which is
true. that means it can be an issue in some situations, and you happen
to encounter those particular ones. most people don't.

what you need to remember is that nikon (and other companies) do not
make cameras for *you* personally. they make cameras to sell to the
most number of people. that might mean you need to buy a different
model if they don't offer the exact mix of features you want.

2014-03-19 20:39:43 UTC

Post by nospam
the weather sealing is the same as a d300.

check again.
<http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/>
With effective sealing applied on various parts of the body, it
secures weather and dust resistance, equivalent to the D800 series
and D300S.

Either this is BS or the memory card doors on the D300S and D800 are
inferior to the D200/D300. I have my D200, D300 and D7100 lined up
side by side. The covers on the D200 and D300 have rubber weather
sealing completely circling the opening which get compressed when the
door is latched shut. The D7000 has no weatherstripping and the door
slides shut with little tension on the cover. Simple friction against
the door is what opens it. Nowhere near as secure as that on the
D200/300.

Hey 'Duck is your D300s the same as the D200/300? I don't see why it
wouldn't be.

Savageduck

2014-03-19 23:10:13 UTC

Post by nospam
the weather sealing is the same as a d300.

check again.
<http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/>
With effective sealing applied on various parts of the body, it
secures weather and dust resistance, equivalent to the D800 series
and D300S.

Either this is BS or the memory card doors on the D300S and D800 are
inferior to the D200/D300. I have my D200, D300 and D7100 lined up
side by side. The covers on the D200 and D300 have rubber weather
sealing completely circling the opening which get compressed when the
door is latched shut. The D7000 has no weatherstripping and the door
slides shut with little tension on the cover. Simple friction against
the door is what opens it. Nowhere near as secure as that on the
D200/300.
Hey 'Duck is your D300s the same as the D200/300? I don't see why it
wouldn't be.

On the D300S there is a thin rubber weather strip. The memory card slot
cover has to be slid to the rear to unlatch. The seal is remade when it
is slid forward to compress the strip and latch the cover. The
I/O(HDMI, A/V, mic, DC, USB) bay, 10-pin connector, & flash sync
terminal are each sealed with a rubber cover with substantial recesses.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

PeterN

2014-03-19 22:18:58 UTC

Post by nospam
the weather sealing is the same as a d300.

check again.
<http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/>
With effective sealing applied on various parts of the body, it
secures weather and dust resistance, equivalent to the D800 series
and D300S.

So over on the raw converter thread you push features I have no need
for in your preferred tool and now you call features I need and would
even prefer to pay more for subjective.

i didn't say you didn't need those features.
what i said was that it's rarely an issue in most situations, which is
true. that means it can be an issue in some situations, and you happen
to encounter those particular ones. most people don't.
what you need to remember is that nikon (and other companies) do not
make cameras for *you* personally. they make cameras to sell to the
most number of people. that might mean you need to buy a different
model if they don't offer the exact mix of features you want.

Out comes your "most people" phase.

--
PeterN

RichA

2014-03-10 02:29:30 UTC

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never
produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

Having just picked up a 7100 this week, as my D200/D300 each exhibit
various fallings, I would say it is immediately apparent upon picking
it up that it not in the class a 400 would be.

what features would you put in a d400 that the d7100 lacks?

A good body that doesn't seem like someone at Nikon said, "Here's the D300s. Make a new camera and make it cost 1/2 as much."

RichA

2014-03-10 02:28:11 UTC

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

Having just picked up a 7100 this week, as my D200/D300 each exhibit
various fallings, I would say it is immediately apparent upon picking
it up that it not in the class a 400 would be.

How true.

RichA

2014-03-10 02:27:25 UTC

Post by RichA
Do you KNOW how many Nikon users are enraged that a D400 was never produced??

it was called the d7000/7100.

It's good to have a sense humour.

Neil Ellwood

2014-03-09 11:05:57 UTC