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Why in God's name did this guy frame these?
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RichA
2009-07-24 10:27:18 UTC
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Like he was going to keep those shots? Is this a joke?

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Bob Larter
2009-07-24 12:51:58 UTC
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Post by RichA
Like he was going to keep those shots? Is this a joke?
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I notice that they're all motion-blurred. I've got to say that I
would've binned them all.
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R. Mark Clayton
2009-07-24 20:31:23 UTC
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Maybe cats' eyes saved his life one time...
Post by RichA
Like he was going to keep those shots? Is this a joke?
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Me
2009-07-24 23:21:46 UTC
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Post by RichA
Like he was going to keep those shots? Is this a joke?
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Actually - the first shot isn't too bad IMO. Nice deep colours,
reasonable composition. I don't like cats much (they kill the native
lizards and birds in my garden, and frustrate my trained cat-killing dog
who unfortunately can't climb trees to get them) but if you like cats,
it's probably okay.
The Verminator
2009-07-25 10:24:58 UTC
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Post by Me
Post by RichA
Like he was going to keep those shots? Is this a joke?
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Actually - the first shot isn't too bad IMO. Nice deep colours,
reasonable composition. I don't like cats much (they kill the native
lizards and birds in my garden, and frustrate my trained cat-killing dog
who unfortunately can't climb trees to get them) but if you like cats,
it's probably okay.
I guess you don't live in the country. I shot about five of the neighbor's
cats this past week. It's not only legal to do so, the authorities here
encouraged me to when asked what to do about them over-running the land.
Their only advice, "Feel free to shoot them, but don't tell the owners
where their cats went if they ever come by asking about them. They'll just
cause even more problems for everyone with their baseless whining."

I'm tired of them destroying the native food chain. If they're not killing
important native wildlife, then they're destroying the food sources for all
the native animals higher on the food chain. I've not seen nor heard an owl
in over 5 years due to irresponsible pet-owners' lousy cats destroying all
the owls' food sources. They don't even eat what they kill, they just kill
for sport. Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.

Notice to all irresponsible cat-owners -- Keep your lousy piece-of-shit cat
indoors where it belongs. If not ... consider it target practice and then
don't cry about it when it doesn't come home one day. It'll be your own
damn fault. Nobody to blame but your lousy irresponsible self.
G Paleologopoulos
2009-07-25 11:44:35 UTC
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(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.
(snip more crap...)
Great, classic, troll stuff.
This is one more for the books.
Keep up the good postings.
The Verminator
2009-07-25 12:28:17 UTC
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On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:35 +0300, "G Paleologopoulos"
Post by G Paleologopoulos
(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.
(snip more crap...)
Great, classic, troll stuff.
This is one more for the books.
Keep up the good postings.
If you think that's a troll, how about if I post photos of the next ones I
shoot and hack-up for food for the wild animals? I'll even leave their
little collars around what's left of their useless little necks so you can
see that someone was their irresponsible owner at one time too in the
photos. Will that satisfy you?

Unfortunately, the foxes, raccoons, and opossums won't eat them whole. I
tried that at first. They just sniff them or chew a bit on the cat
carcasses but then walk away. I have to quarter the cats with a machete
after shooting them or the wild animals here won't eat them. A little
grisly to do so, but the ends are more than worth the means. Getting nature
a little more back in balance from the stupidity of the irresponsible
behavior of others is never a pleasant task. I'll be more than happy to
share the visuals with you though, if that's what you need to convince you.
Me
2009-07-25 21:13:00 UTC
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Post by The Verminator
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:35 +0300, "G Paleologopoulos"
Post by G Paleologopoulos
(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.
(snip more crap...)
Great, classic, troll stuff.
This is one more for the books.
Keep up the good postings.
If you think that's a troll, how about if I post photos of the next ones I
shoot and hack-up for food for the wild animals? I'll even leave their
little collars around what's left of their useless little necks so you can
see that someone was their irresponsible owner at one time too in the
photos. Will that satisfy you?
Unfortunately, the foxes, raccoons, and opossums won't eat them whole. I
tried that at first. They just sniff them or chew a bit on the cat
carcasses but then walk away. I have to quarter the cats with a machete
after shooting them or the wild animals here won't eat them. A little
grisly to do so, but the ends are more than worth the means. Getting nature
a little more back in balance from the stupidity of the irresponsible
behavior of others is never a pleasant task. I'll be more than happy to
share the visuals with you though, if that's what you need to convince you.
The cats probably smell quite strongly of human, which might put the
wild animals off feeding on the carcases. Also, I'd remove the collars
- some will be "flea collars" impregnated with insecticide.
Unfortunately our "SPCA" is (very well) funded by soliciting donations
from lonely old people who love cats, quite commonly gifting the society
their entire properties in their wills, so seem (IMO) to have an
unreasonable bias toward "saving" cats.
The result is that cat owners don't believe that they can dispose of
surplus cats and kittens themselves in a reasonable but humane way
(suffocating them in a box using car exhaust, drowning, breaking their
necks etc) for fear of risk of prosecution for "cruelty". The cost for
a vet to "put down" surplus cats is quite high. "Dumping" sacks of live
cats at the front door of a vet or the SPCA offices would result in
prosecution if the person can be caught. So people quietly take them to
the edge of town and "free" them.
I've shot a few myself, but usually using high-power small calibre
rifles like 243 etc with hollow point ammo. They are very sneaky and
aren't easy targets. There's sometimes not much left if the shot is
well placed - just splatter, fur, and bits of bone.
Nicko
2009-07-26 02:34:29 UTC
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Post by Me
I've shot a few myself, but usually using high-power small calibre
rifles like 243 etc with hollow point ammo.  They are very sneaky and
aren't easy targets.  There's sometimes not much left if the shot is
well placed - just splatter, fur, and bits of bone.
Sheet, where I live a simple wrist rocket and a pocket full of marbles
is all I need.
The Verminator
2009-07-26 07:16:02 UTC
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Post by Nicko
Post by Me
I've shot a few myself, but usually using high-power small calibre
rifles like 243 etc with hollow point ammo.  They are very sneaky and
aren't easy targets.  There's sometimes not much left if the shot is
well placed - just splatter, fur, and bits of bone.
Sheet, where I live a simple wrist rocket and a pocket full of marbles
is all I need.
To scare them perhaps, but it's not going to kill a cat, except for that
one-in-a-million chance shot to the head. I use a wrist-rocket and 1/4"
shot to give lessons to a neighbor's wandering problem-dog. Scaring cats
away is a temporary solution to a permanent ever-growing problem.
The Verminator
2009-07-26 06:52:31 UTC
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Post by Me
Post by The Verminator
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:35 +0300, "G Paleologopoulos"
Post by G Paleologopoulos
(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.
(snip more crap...)
Great, classic, troll stuff.
This is one more for the books.
Keep up the good postings.
If you think that's a troll, how about if I post photos of the next ones I
shoot and hack-up for food for the wild animals? I'll even leave their
little collars around what's left of their useless little necks so you can
see that someone was their irresponsible owner at one time too in the
photos. Will that satisfy you?
Unfortunately, the foxes, raccoons, and opossums won't eat them whole. I
tried that at first. They just sniff them or chew a bit on the cat
carcasses but then walk away. I have to quarter the cats with a machete
after shooting them or the wild animals here won't eat them. A little
grisly to do so, but the ends are more than worth the means. Getting nature
a little more back in balance from the stupidity of the irresponsible
behavior of others is never a pleasant task. I'll be more than happy to
share the visuals with you though, if that's what you need to convince you.
The cats probably smell quite strongly of human, which might put the
wild animals off feeding on the carcases. Also, I'd remove the collars
- some will be "flea collars" impregnated with insecticide.
Good point about the collars and the human scent on them. I hadn't
considered that. Some of the wild animals here consider me one of their own
and trust me enough to even bring their kits and cubs for me to play with.
They aren't opposed to my human scent so I didn't think of it. Could be why
they'd eat the quartered cats, I got my scent on the cats, they then
thought they were safe to eat. But a neighboring farmer's or rancher's
scent on them means that that's off-limits and dangerous to them. Maybe I
should just dip the cats in ketchup. Would be far less work and less messy.
:)
Post by Me
Unfortunately our "SPCA" is (very well) funded by soliciting donations
from lonely old people who love cats, quite commonly gifting the society
their entire properties in their wills, so seem (IMO) to have an
unreasonable bias toward "saving" cats.
I'll never understand these cultural biases people have. If cats are
breeding out of control they need to be treated just like any other
infestation, whether they be rats or cats, there's no difference.

The real irony is that these "animal lovers" are by far the biggest
hypocrites and true haters of all animals. They don't care one bit that
they let their little killing-machine out into their yards and the yards of
neighbors. They don't give one damn about the life of any other animals on
the planet other than their own pets. Not even the lives of their
neighbors. Their hypocrisy and self-serving motives become glaringly
apparent when you try to teach them to keep their lousy animal-destroying
cat away from all the other far more important wildlife. If they truly were
"animal lovers" they'd think twice about why they are breeding and keeping
their cute little killing-machines. Inflicting that piece-of-shit animal on
all others when they let "Fluffy" outside so it can go "PLAY!" What a
crock. All others who they then inflict their cute little killing-machines
on have to deal with these "animal lovers" self-serving unthinking motives
and values. As I am now forced to do.
Post by Me
The result is that cat owners don't believe that they can dispose of
surplus cats and kittens themselves in a reasonable but humane way
(suffocating them in a box using car exhaust, drowning, breaking their
necks etc) for fear of risk of prosecution for "cruelty". The cost for
a vet to "put down" surplus cats is quite high. "Dumping" sacks of live
cats at the front door of a vet or the SPCA offices would result in
prosecution if the person can be caught. So people quietly take them to
the edge of town and "free" them.
I wouldn't doubt at all that that's what's been happening. The local
farmers and ranchers probably just start to feed them because they're
"cute". No matter how many years I've been taking out the excess cats new
ones show up every year. It's not just limited to cats being dumped. I live
far enough in the wilds that this area is also a frequent dumping ground
for metro murders. They've probably recovered about two dozen bodies in the
last twenty years in this area. Far more than actually get killed here.
There's a major interstate that runs through this region not too many miles
distant, an easy pull-over and back-roads drop-off spot for anybody's
unwanted problems that they created for everyone and themselves.

Maybe I can promote a "House-Cat Hunt" sports event. Advertise it in metro
areas. Let them know that if they bring their cats out here they're only
good for target practice for next year's hunt. Grand prize, a new pair of
cat-slippers, made from real cat.
Post by Me
I've shot a few myself, but usually using high-power small calibre
rifles like 243 etc with hollow point ammo. They are very sneaky and
aren't easy targets. There's sometimes not much left if the shot is
well placed - just splatter, fur, and bits of bone.
That's why they're such good target practice. :) I only use LR copper-plate
22s, no hollow-point, just basic small-game plinking & target ammo. But
damn your aim has to be good to put them down with one shot. I don't like
seeing any animal suffer, even cats, so I do it as cleanly as possible. I
don't shoot unless I'm sure. My aim is getting good. Most times they don't
even let out a "mewww!" before they drop.


I don't usually go off-topic so much but there's nothing interesting lately
in the land of cameras and photography. Besides, if I can in any way get
the message out to these self-serving, selfish, ignorant, animal-hating,
cat-lover hypocrites then all's the better. There seems to be a
preponderance of them that own cameras that also take agonizingly bad
pictures of their cute and fluffy killing-machines. A good place to let
them know what's really going on. While also educating them about others
who have to clean up their self-serving unthinking pet-disasters and what
we are really thinking of them...

We're onto you. If you love cats then you actually hate all other animals
on the planet, including your fellow-man. You don't even respect your
neighbors. People that self-serving and inconsiderate then deserve no
respect nor consideration in return. It's that simple. Go ahead, let
"Fluffy" outside one more time. I'm starting to enjoy the practice. The
skill might come in handy one day when everyone starts to think even less
of cat-lovers themselves. Cat-lovers might be considered the next vermin.
I'd vote for it. Without hesitation.
Nicko
2009-07-26 13:16:27 UTC
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On Jul 26, 1:52 am, The Verminator <***@myplace.org> wrote:

Cat-lovers might be considered the next vermin.
Post by The Verminator
I'd vote for it. Without hesitation.
Now tell us how you *really* feel about cats and cat lovers, Mr. V.

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o***@verizon.net
2009-07-26 16:08:50 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>,
***@myplace.org says...
-:On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:35 +0300, "G Paleologopoulos"
-:<***@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote:
-:
-:>"The Verminator" <***@myplace.org> wrote:
-:>>
-:>>(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
-:>>
-:>> Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
-:>> be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
-:>> foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good
-:>> use.
-:>>
-:>> (snip more crap...)
-:>
-:>
-:>Great, classic, troll stuff.
-:>This is one more for the books.
-:>Keep up the good postings.
-:
-:If you think that's a troll, how about if I post photos of the next ones I
-:shoot and hack-up for food for the wild animals? I'll even leave their
-:little collars around what's left of their useless little necks so you can
-:see that someone was their irresponsible owner at one time too in the
-:photos. Will that satisfy you?
-:
-:Unfortunately, the foxes, raccoons, and opossums won't eat them whole. I
-:tried that at first. They just sniff them or chew a bit on the cat
-:carcasses but then walk away. I have to quarter the cats with a machete
-:after shooting them or the wild animals here won't eat them.

so you and your machette are 'natural balance'? right.
you start with animals, and graduate to children and people.

you, your foxes and your raccoons must be retarded.
The Verminator
2009-07-26 23:14:57 UTC
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Post by o***@verizon.net
-:On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:35 +0300, "G Paleologopoulos"
-:>>
-:>>(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
-:>>
-:>> Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
-:>> be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
-:>> foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good
-:>> use.
-:>>
-:>> (snip more crap...)
-:>
-:>
-:>Great, classic, troll stuff.
-:>This is one more for the books.
-:>Keep up the good postings.
-:If you think that's a troll, how about if I post photos of the next ones I
-:shoot and hack-up for food for the wild animals? I'll even leave their
-:little collars around what's left of their useless little necks so you can
-:see that someone was their irresponsible owner at one time too in the
-:photos. Will that satisfy you?
-:Unfortunately, the foxes, raccoons, and opossums won't eat them whole. I
-:tried that at first. They just sniff them or chew a bit on the cat
-:carcasses but then walk away. I have to quarter the cats with a machete
-:after shooting them or the wild animals here won't eat them.
so you and your machette are 'natural balance'? right.
you start with animals, and graduate to children and people.
Don't be silly. But I do think that abortion should be legal until the 72nd
trimester. That's 18 y.o. for those that don't want to do the math. With
the way most all "parents" have failed miserably at being parents for the
last two to three generations, someone should have a say-so on if their
parenting disasters should be allowed to survive or not. You know,
parenting disasters like you.
Post by o***@verizon.net
you, your foxes and your raccoons must be retarded.
First off, thanks for giving me an opener to tell some things I don't often
get to share, or rarely care to share. Plus I'm bored to death of the usual
ignorant dreck that the idiots post relentlessly.

No, they're not retarded. They're all actually quite intelligent. Some of
the most respectful and respectable animals I've ever had the pleasure to
know. For the last five to six years I've been trying to increase the wild
animal population to help displace the pestilent cat infestation, doing so
as responsibly as possible. Things like changing their water frequently
during the night so if there's illness in any of them it won't spread.
Emulate the same always-fresh water conditions as if they were feeding near
a flowing stream. Going so far as to even key their home-made foods with a
unique but mild spice-mix and vitamins ground up in a mortar and pestle.
This way they won't go looking for handouts anywhere else. No food sources
found outside by any other house or ranch will ever smell or taste the
same. It's also why I refuse to use any easier methods by giving them any
pre-made foods, like dogfood or other animal foods from the feed-mill. It's
all formulated right here in my kitchen. They won't find it anywhere else.
Well balanced with vitamins, carbs, fats, oils, proteins, and even calcium
for growing bones and teeth. If I'm going to do all this I want them to be
the healthiest animals possible anywhere, or there's no point in doing it
at all.

Even though I still have an old swinging dog-door on the porch from when I
had many abused and injured dogs that I took in one time to nurse them back
to health (abused and neglected by neighboring farmers and ranchers, the
dogs finding me on their own coming for help) not one of the wild-animals
here have ever bothered to use the easily opened dog-door. Nor do they ever
climb window-screens or even bother to go on the roof, quickly reached from
the trees they climb that are overhanging the house. They're that
respectful of me and my home. They'll sit patiently outside playing or
sleeping in the yard and woods until I bring them their hand-outs during
whelping season. The harshest time of the year for them, before any other
wild food sources have matured, their having to feed their offspring off of
their own body's resources. After my whelping season's hand-outs then they
just disperse into the many miles of farm-fields and countryside again,
showing up again next spring with new broods. The foxes just as content to
sit around on their haunches as the dogs that I used to have. One night's
rough count while standing in the middle of them on a busy night came to
about sixty assorted wild animals, adults and offspring. What with so much
of their land destroyed by farmers and ranchers to feed your stupid and fat
overbreeding faces in the cities, they need some help with how much of
their habitat that your mindless overbreeding and gluttony has destroyed.

Your McBurger-Factories have destroyed more than 95% of the native habitat.
But you don't have to see that. You can stuff your self-induced-ignorance
self-serving faces and not even have to think about the destruction you are
paying to have done on your behalf for your daily two all-meat patties,
special sauce, pickles, cheese, lettuce, onions on a sesame-seed bun. Next
time you fly over the land in a plane on a clear day look down at the
coast-to-coast patchwork quilt of McBurger-Factory destruction that you
paid to have created for your fast-foods diaper-dripping convenience. All
that land now overlain for decades with copious amounts of chemicals and
poisons. Then you have the gall to release your food-chain destroying
piece-of-shit cats onto the lands to make matters even worse for all the
wildlife.

Once in a while I'll see a couple of raccoon faces through the bottom
portion of my screen door, standing-up looking in, their wondering what's
the hold-up in the kitchen. Or they'll lay on my welcome-mat snoozing
during the day and I have to step over them when opening the door. I have a
few fun photos of my "guard raccoons" laying in front of the door, looking
out into the woods while relaxing. They're basically a joy to have around
and a handy bear-alert at night when they all go into their alert posture
when standing on hind-legs. Though they have cried wolf one too many times
lately. But still, it's good to be reminded to be alert rather than get
caught off-guard by becoming too nonchalant. I do occasionally have to
watch my footing for not wanting to step on one of their cubs or kits
that's trying to play tug-o'-war with my shoelaces while I'm walking among
them. Did you know too that opossums are even smarter than dogs? Though I
probably wouldn't rate them as smart as raccoons. Opossums are also the
most disease free wild-animal of any. Due to their lower body temperature
they can't even be carriers of rabies, or any other diseases like your
invasive-species cats always are.

The only time there's a problem is when the raccoons fight with each other,
they seem to have personality conflicts just like any individuals. Or when
a new one arrives and doesn't know the routine here. I'll sometimes have to
step in between them to try to break it up. I run a respectable restaurant.
(Long ago I was bartender at a biker-bar, this is far easier.) They know my
growl when I have to step up to stop a fight. They also don't mind if I put
my hand in their plates to refill it while they're feeding or take a
water-tray away to refill it while they're still busy washing their food in
it. They respect and trust me that much. More well behaved than most
stranger's dogs I've known. Pretty amazing for completely wild animals.
Though, when they go snooze under a tree and leave me like a baby-sitter to
watch over the safety of their kits and cubs for them, while they're
getting a much needed break, I do start to feel a bit "used". A proud
"used".

A local hunting friend has been coming out some nights lately just to be
amazed at the scene in my yard while I'm feeding all of them at night. He's
never seen anything like it and he's lived in the country all his life. I
told him about it when we went fishing a couple weeks ago and I had to
explain why I had to get back early. He just had to see for himself. He's
now got a new appreciation for how respectable wild animals can be to
humans and each other when you show them a bit of respect in return. While
he was sitting quietly on my steps watching them you should have seen the
grin on his face when six of the larger wild raccoon cubs (half adult-size)
came up to tug on and play with his shoelaces and pant-legs. Then the
mother (I named her Six-Pack) came over to check him out to see if he was
good enough to be around her cubs. If not she would have shooed them away
while growling at him, like she does with other adult raccoons that she
hasn't grown to trust. After sniffing and looking him over she eventually
figured he was good enough for her kids and let them keep playing, she went
back to eat. The cubs kept on chittering while clumsily climbing all over
his shoes and legs. I laughed. He kept on grinning. While six mouths of
needle-sharp teeth could have just as easily tried to tear his face off if
they wanted. I saw two of these same large cubs attack a Not-The-Momma
adult raccoon that was trying to take their food the night before. The cubs
won, but I did have to break them up. The attackee was new, he didn't know
he could get his own plate and that there were "house-rules".

What I do find surprising is that raccoons, foxes, opossums, and even the
occasional skunk will all eat out of the same plates at times. Once a
rabbit was also eating just one plate over from a fox and raccoon that were
sharing a plate. I have some photos and videos to document things like this
because nobody will ever believe me. I try to grab the camera every time I
see some animal behavior I've never witnessed nor read about before. Sorry,
the photos and videos are not for net-sharing, I only show them to people
that deserve to see things like this, that's definitely not you, nor anyone
else that I've never met in person. Feel grateful that you get to even read
about it.

Earlier this year while I was out filling plates, an older injured raccoon
with only three feet was eating, back right-foot missing. When he started
to leave he waddled up against an opossum that had come up alongside him.
Side against side, gaining support from his opossum buddy as he hobbled on
his way back into the woods. They both walked off into the darkness
together like that, the opossum keeping pace with whatever speed the
raccoon could muster. Talk about a touching moment. I was deeply moved.
Like something you'd see in one of those smarmy anthropomorphized
animal-movies, but this was happening in real life and not coming from some
city-boy writer's imagination. I had a hard time believing what I was
seeing. Unfortunately I was so moved and caught up in the moment I didn't
even think to go get the camera. In fact, I would have probably felt like I
was disrespecting and invading a special trust between these two
individuals animals if I had used it. Something for my eyes only.

I'm surprised too how many of them come here with injuries. The one that
was missing half its face was disturbing to see this year. Like a scene
from a horror-movie but it too needed some food. It was eating just fine
with its healed-over injuries or I would have helped it the other way--to
put it out of its misery if needed. Or Bobbie, the one with five cubs that
is missing a tail this year (hence the name). Then there was Saddle, the
one missing all the skin off her back last year, probably from some idiot
farmer's glancing shotgun blast. She remained wary all last year when she
first showed up. But eventually, with my fortified supplements, her huge
injury healed over and she became a fine mother.

I daresay that all of them are far more intelligent and respectable animals
than you and your genetic-line will ever hope to be. Come visit with your
destructive idiot-owned pestilent and mindless cats. Let me show and prove
to you why you're less intelligent and less deserving of any respect.
Bob
2009-07-28 12:46:03 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>,
***@myplace.org says...
-:On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:08:50 GMT, ***@verizon.net> wrote:
-:
-:>In article <***@4ax.com>,
-:>***@myplace.org says...
-:>-:On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:35 +0300, "G Paleologopoulos"
-:>-:<***@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote:
-:>-:
-:>-:>"The Verminator" <***@myplace.org> wrote:
-:>-:>>
-:>-:>>(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
-:>-:>>
-:>-:>> Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
-:>-:>> be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
-:>-:>> foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good
-:>-:>> use.
-:>-:>>
-:>-:>> (snip more crap...)
-:>-:>
-:>-:>
-:>-:>Great, classic, troll stuff.
-:>-:>This is one more for the books.
-:>-:>Keep up the good postings.
-:>-:
-:>-:If you think that's a troll, how about if I post photos of the next ones I
-:>-:shoot and hack-up for food for the wild animals? I'll even leave their
-:>-:little collars around what's left of their useless little necks so you can
-:>-:see that someone was their irresponsible owner at one time too in the
-:>-:photos. Will that satisfy you?
-:>-:


great story, serious problems.

all the animals are great.
I have rarely met an animal that I do not stop to pay it some attention.
I have hundreds of hours as a volunteer, caring for animals.
I spent most of my time with very large cats that had been mistreated.
I do not mistreat animals.

on the other hand, you are describing, with pride,
the violent mistreatment of peoples pets.
in a photographic newsgroup.

in most jurisdictions,
you qualify for felony charges of mistreatment of animals.
I can imagine your picture in the paper, in handcuffs,
captioned "killer and mutilator of peoples pets".
your mother would be proud.


-:I daresay that all of them are far more intelligent and respectable animals
-:than you and your genetic-line will ever hope to be. Come visit with your
-:destructive idiot-owned pestilent and mindless cats. Let me show and prove
-:to you why you're less intelligent and less deserving of any respect.

more bad logic.
The Verminator
2009-07-28 14:55:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob
-:>-:On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:35 +0300, "G Paleologopoulos"
-:>-:>>
-:>-:>>(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
-:>-:>>
-:>-:>> Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
-:>-:>> be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
-:>-:>> foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good
-:>-:>> use.
-:>-:>>
-:>-:>> (snip more crap...)
-:>-:>
-:>-:>
-:>-:>Great, classic, troll stuff.
-:>-:>This is one more for the books.
-:>-:>Keep up the good postings.
-:>-:If you think that's a troll, how about if I post photos of the next ones I
-:>-:shoot and hack-up for food for the wild animals? I'll even leave their
-:>-:little collars around what's left of their useless little necks so you can
-:>-:see that someone was their irresponsible owner at one time too in the
-:>-:photos. Will that satisfy you?
great story, serious problems.
all the animals are great.
I have rarely met an animal that I do not stop to pay it some attention.
I have hundreds of hours as a volunteer, caring for animals.
I spent most of my time with very large cats that had been mistreated.
I do not mistreat animals.
If you are introducing an invasive and foreign species into a habitat which
does not contain the necessary predators to keep it in check then YOU are
mistreating ALL the animals in that environment. Don't try to justify your
stupidity by thinking you care about all animals when CLEARLY you do not.
You're nothing but a self-serving asshole who doesn't have one clue about
what you are really doing. You pretend to care but you don't. You just do
what you do to try to feel better about yourself. When in reality you are
doing absolutely NOTHING but harming all the species on this planet even
further. Your kind create the greatest mistreatment of all animals. You
just don't want to see yourself for what you really are.
Post by Bob
on the other hand, you are describing, with pride,
the violent mistreatment of peoples pets.
in a photographic newsgroup.
No violence at all, no mistreatment. No suffering for the lousy cats. One
quick shot and the problem they create, and is created by idiots like you,
is solved.
Post by Bob
in most jurisdictions,
you qualify for felony charges of mistreatment of animals.
I can imagine your picture in the paper, in handcuffs,
captioned "killer and mutilator of peoples pets".
A good thing that I don't live in those few jurisdictions on this planet
where idiots like you make your idiots' laws.
Post by Bob
your mother would be proud.
Yes, she would be.

I clearly recall the time that a bunch of children in my 3rd grade class
found a rabbit's nest in the field next to the school. I had to repeatedly
tell them to leave the rabbits alone all day. I also told all the teachers
to leave the rabbits alone. But no, one of the idiot teachers took her
whole class out there to go see them when school was letting out. Then one
of her idiot students partially stepped on one of the baby-rabbits and
burst its side. It was squealing in misery and pain. I was watching this
from my classroom's open window as I too was getting ready to leave for the
day. I ran out of the building to go help. My mother was very proud of me
when I told her how I had to muster all my courage to stomp that suffering
baby-rabbit to death to put it out of its misery. While all the IDIOT
CHILDREN and IDIOT TEACHER stood watching it, doing absolutely NOTHING to
help that poor rabbit that they caused to suffer. Do you know how much love
you have to have for an animal to put it out of its misery with your own
foot? You can't even fathom knowing that much love for any animal. Even
when as young as a 3rd grader I knew how to have love for all animals, not
just the ones I had as pets, and do the right thing for them when
necessary. I then proceeded to yell at all of idiot students for what they
had done, and what they had forced me to do, to solve due to their
stupidity. Including yelling at the STUPID FUCKING TEACHER. She didn't dare
say even one thing back to me because she was so ashamed for what she had
caused. I dearly hope she finally went to her grave with the nightmare of
that day clear in her mind.

I HAD TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT THEIR STUPIDITY CREATED.

Just as I'm now doing to the problem that you and all idiots like you
create with your miserable pestilent invasive cats.
Post by Bob
-:I daresay that all of them are far more intelligent and respectable animals
-:than you and your genetic-line will ever hope to be. Come visit with your
-:destructive idiot-owned pestilent and mindless cats. Let me show and prove
-:to you why you're less intelligent and less deserving of any respect.
more bad logic.
I invite you too, come, let me show you my logic. Buy a one-way ticket. You
won't need a round-trip after you too have learned your lesson. With fewer
idiots like you in the world we wouldn't be having our native habitats and
native wildlife being destroyed at such an alarming rate.

You uncaring, unthinking, miserable, piece of fucking shit.
Bob
2009-07-30 20:13:36 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>,
***@myplace.org says...
-:On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:46:03 GMT, Bob <***@verizon.net> wrote:
-:
-:>In article <***@4ax.com>,
-:>***@myplace.org says...
-:>-:On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:08:50 GMT, ***@verizon.net> wrote:
-:>-:
-:>-:>In article <***@4ax.com>,
-:>-:>***@myplace.org says...
-:>-:>-:On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:35 +0300, "G Paleologopoulos"
-:>-:>-:<***@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote:
-:>-:>-:
-:>-:>-:>"The Verminator" <***@myplace.org> wrote:
-:>-:>-:>>
-:>-:>-:>>(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
-:>-:>-:>>
-:>-:>-:>> Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
-:>-:>-:>> be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
-:>-:>-:>> foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good
-:>-:>-:>> use.
-:>-:>-:>>
-:>-:>-:>> (snip more crap...)
-:>-:>-:>
-:>-:>-:>
-:>-:>-:>Great, classic, troll stuff.
-:>-:>-:>This is one more for the books.
-:>-:>-:>Keep up the good postings.
-:>-:>-:
-:>-:>-:If you think that's a troll, how about if I post photos of the next ones I
-:>-:>-:shoot and hack-up for food for the wild animals? I'll even leave their
-:>-:>-:little collars around what's left of their useless little necks so you can
-:>-:>-:see that someone was their irresponsible owner at one time too in the
-:>-:>-:photos. Will that satisfy you?
-:>-:>-:
-:>
-:>
-:>great story, serious problems.
-:>
-:>all the animals are great.
-:>I have rarely met an animal that I do not stop to pay it some attention.
-:>I have hundreds of hours as a volunteer, caring for animals.
-:>I spent most of my time with very large cats that had been mistreated.
-:>I do not mistreat animals.
-:
-:If you are introducing an invasive and foreign species into a habitat which
-:does not contain the necessary predators to keep it in check then YOU are
-:mistreating ALL the animals in that environment. Don't try to justify your
-:stupidity by thinking you care about all animals when CLEARLY you do not.
-:You're nothing but a self-serving asshole who doesn't have one clue about
-:what you are really doing. You pretend to care but you don't. You just do
-:what you do to try to feel better about yourself. When in reality you are
-:doing absolutely NOTHING but harming all the species on this planet even
-:further. Your kind create the greatest mistreatment of all animals. You
-:just don't want to see yourself for what you really are.

Obviously you are a deluded fool,
and have trouble with thinking and logic.

you deserve a reward. your turn in the barrel.
vanish wee one...


-:
-:
-:You uncaring, unthinking, miserable, piece of fucking shit.
-:
-:
PatM
2009-07-28 19:52:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Verminator
Post by o***@verizon.net
-:On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:35 +0300, "G Paleologopoulos"
-:>>
-:>>(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
-:>>
-:>> Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
-:>> be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
-:>> foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good
-:>> use.
-:>>
-:>> (snip more crap...)
-:>
-:>
-:>Great, classic, troll stuff.
-:>This is one more for the books.
-:>Keep up the good postings.
-:If you think that's a troll, how about if I post photos of the next ones I
-:shoot and hack-up for food for the wild animals? I'll even leave their
-:little collars around what's left of their useless little necks so you can
-:see that someone was their irresponsible owner at one time too in the
-:photos. Will that satisfy you?
-:Unfortunately, the foxes, raccoons, and opossums won't eat them whole. I
-:tried that at first. They just sniff them or chew a bit on the cat
-:carcasses but then walk away. I have to quarter the cats with a machete
-:after shooting them or the wild animals here won't eat them.
so you and your machette are 'natural balance'? right.
you start with animals, and graduate to children and people.
Don't be silly. But I do think that abortion should be legal until the 72nd
trimester. That's 18 y.o. for those that don't want to do the math. With
the way most all "parents" have failed miserably at being parents for the
last two to three generations, someone should have a say-so on if their
parenting disasters should be allowed to survive or not. You know,
parenting disasters like you.
Post by o***@verizon.net
you, your foxes and your raccoons must be retarded.
First off, thanks for giving me an opener to tell some things I don't often
get to share, or rarely care to share. Plus I'm bored to death of the usual
ignorant dreck that the idiots post relentlessly.
No, they're not retarded. They're all actually quite intelligent. Some of
the most respectful and respectable animals I've ever had the pleasure to
know. For the last five to six years I've been trying to increase the wild
animal population to help displace the pestilent cat infestation, doing so
as responsibly as possible. Things like changing their water frequently
during the night so if there's illness in any of them it won't spread.
Emulate the same always-fresh water conditions as if they were feeding near
a flowing stream. Going so far as to even key their home-made foods with a
unique but mild spice-mix and vitamins ground up in a mortar and pestle.
This way they won't go looking for handouts anywhere else. No food sources
found outside by any other house or ranch will ever smell or taste the
same. It's also why I refuse to use any easier methods by giving them any
pre-made foods, like dogfood or other animal foods from the feed-mill. It's
all formulated right here in my kitchen. They won't find it anywhere else.
Well balanced with vitamins, carbs, fats, oils, proteins, and even calcium
for growing bones and teeth. If I'm going to do all this I want them to be
the healthiest animals possible anywhere, or there's no point in doing it
at all.
Even though I still have an old swinging dog-door on the porch from when I
had many abused and injured dogs that I took in one time to nurse them back
to health (abused and neglected by neighboring farmers and ranchers, the
dogs finding me on their own coming for help) not one of the wild-animals
here have ever bothered to use the easily opened dog-door. Nor do they ever
climb window-screens or even bother to go on the roof, quickly reached from
the trees they climb that are overhanging the house. They're that
respectful of me and my home. They'll sit patiently outside playing or
sleeping in the yard and woods until I bring them their hand-outs during
whelping season. The harshest time of the year for them, before any other
wild food sources have matured, their having to feed their offspring off of
their own body's resources. After my whelping season's hand-outs then they
just disperse into the many miles of farm-fields and countryside again,
showing up again next spring with new broods. The foxes just as content to
sit around on their haunches as the dogs that I used to have. One night's
rough count while standing in the middle of them on a busy night came to
about sixty assorted wild animals, adults and offspring. What with so much
of their land destroyed by farmers and ranchers to feed your stupid and fat
overbreeding faces in the cities, they need some help with how much of
their habitat that your mindless overbreeding and gluttony has destroyed.
Your McBurger-Factories have destroyed more than 95% of the native habitat.
But you don't have to see that. You can stuff your self-induced-ignorance
self-serving faces and not even have to think about the destruction you are
paying to have done on your behalf for your daily two all-meat patties,
special sauce, pickles, cheese, lettuce, onions on a sesame-seed bun. Next
time you fly over the land in a plane on a clear day look down at the
coast-to-coast patchwork quilt of McBurger-Factory destruction that you
paid to have created for your fast-foods diaper-dripping convenience. All
that land now overlain for decades with copious amounts of chemicals and
poisons. Then you have the gall to release your food-chain destroying
piece-of-shit cats onto the lands to make matters even worse for all the
wildlife.
Once in a while I'll see a couple of raccoon faces through the bottom
portion of my screen door, standing-up looking in, their wondering what's
the hold-up in the kitchen. Or they'll lay on my welcome-mat snoozing
during the day and I have to step over them when opening the door. I have a
few fun photos of my "guard raccoons" laying in front of the door, looking
out into the woods while relaxing. They're basically a joy to have around
and a handy bear-alert at night when they all go into their alert posture
when standing on hind-legs. Though they have cried wolf one too many times
lately. But still, it's good to be reminded to be alert rather than get
caught off-guard by becoming too nonchalant. I do occasionally have to
watch my footing for not wanting to step on one of their cubs or kits
that's trying to play tug-o'-war with my shoelaces while I'm walking among
them. Did you know too that opossums are even smarter than dogs? Though I
probably wouldn't rate them as smart as raccoons. Opossums are also the
most disease free wild-animal of any. Due to their lower body temperature
they can't even be carriers of rabies, or any other diseases like your
invasive-species cats always are.
The only time there's a problem is when the raccoons fight with each other,
they seem to have personality conflicts just like any individuals. Or when
a new one arrives and doesn't know the routine here. I'll sometimes have to
step in between them to try to break it up. I run a respectable restaurant.
(Long ago I was bartender at a biker-bar, this is far easier.) They know my
growl when I have to step up to stop a fight. They also don't mind if I put
my hand in their plates to refill it while they're feeding or take a
water-tray away to refill it while they're still busy washing their food in
it. They respect and trust me that much. More well behaved than most
stranger's dogs I've known. Pretty amazing for completely wild animals.
Though, when they go snooze under a tree and leave me like a baby-sitter to
watch over the safety of their kits and cubs for them, while they're
getting a much needed break, I do start to feel a bit "used". A proud
"used".
A local hunting friend has been coming out some nights lately just to be
amazed at the scene in my yard while I'm feeding all of them at night. He's
never seen anything like it and he's lived in the country all his life. I
told him about it when we went fishing a couple weeks ago and I had to
explain why I had to get back early. He just had to see for himself. He's
now got a new appreciation for how respectable wild animals can be to
humans and each other when you show them a bit of respect in return. While
he was sitting quietly on my steps watching them you should have seen the
grin on his face when six of the larger wild raccoon cubs (half adult-size)
came up to tug on and play with his shoelaces and pant-legs. Then the
mother (I named her Six-Pack) came over to check him out to see if he was
good enough to be around her cubs. If not she would have shooed them away
while growling at him, like she does with other adult raccoons that she
hasn't grown to trust. After sniffing and looking him over she eventually
figured he was good enough for her kids and let them keep playing, she went
back to eat. The cubs kept on chittering while clumsily climbing all over
his shoes and legs. I laughed. He kept on grinning. While six mouths of
needle-sharp teeth could have just as easily tried to tear his face off if
they wanted. I saw two of these same large cubs attack a Not-The-Momma
adult raccoon that was trying to take their food the night before. The cubs
won, but I did have to break them up. The attackee was new, he didn't know
he could get his own plate and that there were "house-rules".
What I do find surprising is that raccoons, foxes, opossums, and even the
occasional skunk will all eat out of the same plates at times. Once a
rabbit was also eating just one plate over from a fox and raccoon that were
sharing a plate. I have some photos and videos to document things like this
because nobody will ever believe me. I try to grab the camera every time I
see some animal behavior I've never witnessed nor read about before. Sorry,
the photos and videos are not for net-sharing, I only show them to people
that ...
read more »
I didn't carefully read your entire post, but a few comments re where
I live.

First off, people and raccoons don't mix -- especially in your house.
If you see a raccoon that is acting "strangely", including trying to
interact with humans, you should IMMEDIATELY shoot it and bag it.
Then take it to your local Public Health office for a rabies test.

Second off, there are way too many animals out there with deer ticks,
so be careful. Boots, long pants and long-sleeved shirts are the
order of the day -- and a CAREFUL check before going back into the
house.
The Verminator
2009-07-28 23:37:33 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:52:39 -0700 (PDT), PatM
Post by PatM
Post by The Verminator
Post by o***@verizon.net
-:On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:35 +0300, "G Paleologopoulos"
-:>>
-:>>(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
-:>>
-:>> Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
-:>> be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
-:>> foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good
-:>> use.
-:>>
-:>> (snip more crap...)
-:>
-:>
-:>Great, classic, troll stuff.
-:>This is one more for the books.
-:>Keep up the good postings.
-:If you think that's a troll, how about if I post photos of the next ones I
-:shoot and hack-up for food for the wild animals? I'll even leave their
-:little collars around what's left of their useless little necks so you can
-:see that someone was their irresponsible owner at one time too in the
-:photos. Will that satisfy you?
-:Unfortunately, the foxes, raccoons, and opossums won't eat them whole. I
-:tried that at first. They just sniff them or chew a bit on the cat
-:carcasses but then walk away. I have to quarter the cats with a machete
-:after shooting them or the wild animals here won't eat them.
so you and your machette are 'natural balance'? right.
you start with animals, and graduate to children and people.
Don't be silly. But I do think that abortion should be legal until the 72nd
trimester. That's 18 y.o. for those that don't want to do the math. With
the way most all "parents" have failed miserably at being parents for the
last two to three generations, someone should have a say-so on if their
parenting disasters should be allowed to survive or not. You know,
parenting disasters like you.
Post by o***@verizon.net
you, your foxes and your raccoons must be retarded.
First off, thanks for giving me an opener to tell some things I don't often
get to share, or rarely care to share. Plus I'm bored to death of the usual
ignorant dreck that the idiots post relentlessly.
No, they're not retarded. They're all actually quite intelligent. Some of
the most respectful and respectable animals I've ever had the pleasure to
know. For the last five to six years I've been trying to increase the wild
animal population to help displace the pestilent cat infestation, doing so
as responsibly as possible. Things like changing their water frequently
during the night so if there's illness in any of them it won't spread.
Emulate the same always-fresh water conditions as if they were feeding near
a flowing stream. Going so far as to even key their home-made foods with a
unique but mild spice-mix and vitamins ground up in a mortar and pestle.
This way they won't go looking for handouts anywhere else. No food sources
found outside by any other house or ranch will ever smell or taste the
same. It's also why I refuse to use any easier methods by giving them any
pre-made foods, like dogfood or other animal foods from the feed-mill. It's
all formulated right here in my kitchen. They won't find it anywhere else.
Well balanced with vitamins, carbs, fats, oils, proteins, and even calcium
for growing bones and teeth. If I'm going to do all this I want them to be
the healthiest animals possible anywhere, or there's no point in doing it
at all.
Even though I still have an old swinging dog-door on the porch from when I
had many abused and injured dogs that I took in one time to nurse them back
to health (abused and neglected by neighboring farmers and ranchers, the
dogs finding me on their own coming for help) not one of the wild-animals
here have ever bothered to use the easily opened dog-door. Nor do they ever
climb window-screens or even bother to go on the roof, quickly reached from
the trees they climb that are overhanging the house. They're that
respectful of me and my home. They'll sit patiently outside playing or
sleeping in the yard and woods until I bring them their hand-outs during
whelping season. The harshest time of the year for them, before any other
wild food sources have matured, their having to feed their offspring off of
their own body's resources. After my whelping season's hand-outs then they
just disperse into the many miles of farm-fields and countryside again,
showing up again next spring with new broods. The foxes just as content to
sit around on their haunches as the dogs that I used to have. One night's
rough count while standing in the middle of them on a busy night came to
about sixty assorted wild animals, adults and offspring. What with so much
of their land destroyed by farmers and ranchers to feed your stupid and fat
overbreeding faces in the cities, they need some help with how much of
their habitat that your mindless overbreeding and gluttony has destroyed.
Your McBurger-Factories have destroyed more than 95% of the native habitat.
But you don't have to see that. You can stuff your self-induced-ignorance
self-serving faces and not even have to think about the destruction you are
paying to have done on your behalf for your daily two all-meat patties,
special sauce, pickles, cheese, lettuce, onions on a sesame-seed bun. Next
time you fly over the land in a plane on a clear day look down at the
coast-to-coast patchwork quilt of McBurger-Factory destruction that you
paid to have created for your fast-foods diaper-dripping convenience. All
that land now overlain for decades with copious amounts of chemicals and
poisons. Then you have the gall to release your food-chain destroying
piece-of-shit cats onto the lands to make matters even worse for all the
wildlife.
Once in a while I'll see a couple of raccoon faces through the bottom
portion of my screen door, standing-up looking in, their wondering what's
the hold-up in the kitchen. Or they'll lay on my welcome-mat snoozing
during the day and I have to step over them when opening the door. I have a
few fun photos of my "guard raccoons" laying in front of the door, looking
out into the woods while relaxing. They're basically a joy to have around
and a handy bear-alert at night when they all go into their alert posture
when standing on hind-legs. Though they have cried wolf one too many times
lately. But still, it's good to be reminded to be alert rather than get
caught off-guard by becoming too nonchalant. I do occasionally have to
watch my footing for not wanting to step on one of their cubs or kits
that's trying to play tug-o'-war with my shoelaces while I'm walking among
them. Did you know too that opossums are even smarter than dogs? Though I
probably wouldn't rate them as smart as raccoons. Opossums are also the
most disease free wild-animal of any. Due to their lower body temperature
they can't even be carriers of rabies, or any other diseases like your
invasive-species cats always are.
The only time there's a problem is when the raccoons fight with each other,
they seem to have personality conflicts just like any individuals. Or when
a new one arrives and doesn't know the routine here. I'll sometimes have to
step in between them to try to break it up. I run a respectable restaurant.
(Long ago I was bartender at a biker-bar, this is far easier.) They know my
growl when I have to step up to stop a fight. They also don't mind if I put
my hand in their plates to refill it while they're feeding or take a
water-tray away to refill it while they're still busy washing their food in
it. They respect and trust me that much. More well behaved than most
stranger's dogs I've known. Pretty amazing for completely wild animals.
Though, when they go snooze under a tree and leave me like a baby-sitter to
watch over the safety of their kits and cubs for them, while they're
getting a much needed break, I do start to feel a bit "used". A proud
"used".
A local hunting friend has been coming out some nights lately just to be
amazed at the scene in my yard while I'm feeding all of them at night. He's
never seen anything like it and he's lived in the country all his life. I
told him about it when we went fishing a couple weeks ago and I had to
explain why I had to get back early. He just had to see for himself. He's
now got a new appreciation for how respectable wild animals can be to
humans and each other when you show them a bit of respect in return. While
he was sitting quietly on my steps watching them you should have seen the
grin on his face when six of the larger wild raccoon cubs (half adult-size)
came up to tug on and play with his shoelaces and pant-legs. Then the
mother (I named her Six-Pack) came over to check him out to see if he was
good enough to be around her cubs. If not she would have shooed them away
while growling at him, like she does with other adult raccoons that she
hasn't grown to trust. After sniffing and looking him over she eventually
figured he was good enough for her kids and let them keep playing, she went
back to eat. The cubs kept on chittering while clumsily climbing all over
his shoes and legs. I laughed. He kept on grinning. While six mouths of
needle-sharp teeth could have just as easily tried to tear his face off if
they wanted. I saw two of these same large cubs attack a Not-The-Momma
adult raccoon that was trying to take their food the night before. The cubs
won, but I did have to break them up. The attackee was new, he didn't know
he could get his own plate and that there were "house-rules".
What I do find surprising is that raccoons, foxes, opossums, and even the
occasional skunk will all eat out of the same plates at times. Once a
rabbit was also eating just one plate over from a fox and raccoon that were
sharing a plate. I have some photos and videos to document things like this
because nobody will ever believe me. I try to grab the camera every time I
see some animal behavior I've never witnessed nor read about before. Sorry,
the photos and videos are not for net-sharing, I only show them to people
that ...
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I didn't carefully read your entire post, but a few comments re where
I live.
First off, people and raccoons don't mix -- especially in your house.
If you see a raccoon that is acting "strangely", including trying to
interact with humans, you should IMMEDIATELY shoot it and bag it.
Then take it to your local Public Health office for a rabies test.
Second off, there are way too many animals out there with deer ticks,
so be careful. Boots, long pants and long-sleeved shirts are the
order of the day -- and a CAREFUL check before going back into the
house.
Wow, are you ever a paranoid freak. You must have been raised in a city and
forced to watch Bambi movies to get as realistic an education of nature as
yours.

I have lived in the country and wilds all my life. I've even raised
raccoons from cubs many times, keeping them in my house until full adults.
Given to me by hunters that had a heart after they shot the parent. Did you
know that raccoons *must* learn their survival skills from the parent? It's
not as instinctive as in other animals. I even had to teach them how to
climb trees and forage for foods. I even know some of their body-language
and know how to tell them to go foraging when the food here has ran out for
the night. Their sign for that is a simple patting motion with both
hands/paws that you make on the ground next to them while looking in the
distance. Then they all disperse, knowing that food-sources have ran-out
here. I've even eaten barbequed raccoon, tastes good.

Guess how many wild animals I've seen "acting strangely" or displaying ANY
signs of rabies. I've even been from coast to coast on 3 continents
photographing wildlife in the most remote regions known. NONE. NEVER.
_NOT_ONE_ ANIMAL IN ALL MY LIFE HAS EVER SHOWN SIGNS OF HAVING RABIES. I've
seen, known, witnessed, and photographed hundreds of thousands of wild
animals. Have you? You're getting your information from paranoid idiot
city-fools who air their sound-bites-for-fellow-idiots on TV. The sum total
of your wildlife education. Paranoia sells, big-time.

I know what to look for where rabies are concerned and will put that animal
out of its misery with my gun just as I put cats out of the misery that
they create for all wildlife. I would, however, NEVER bother to take that
animal in to any agency so they can perpetuate the unfounded rabies
hysteria more than they already do. But I've never had to do that for any
animal displaying signs of rabies. I've never met even one animal in my
lifetime that showed symptoms of rabies. I strongly suspect that the
overblown rabies scare-tactic is just meant to keep idiots like you in the
city where you belong instead of creating more emergency situations if you
were to wander into the countryside with your stupidity. Saving everyone
the grief of you being where you don't ever belong and causing even more
trouble for everyone.

Lyme? You're just now learning about that? I've studied Lyme in detail for
over 20 years now. A few of the injured and abused dogs that I took in had
Lyme and died from complications from it. Go ahead, let your cats wander
outside. They're not immune from Lyme you know. I would love nothing better
than for every wandering cat to contract Lyme and then transit it back to
their owners. Did you know it's possible to transmit Lyme from contact with
infected body-fluids? I bet you didn't! Let your pestilent wandering cat
give you its "love bites" and "love scratches". PLEASE!

When I used to take in injured dogs I would spend at least 2 hours each day
cleaning them of deer-ticks and wood-ticks. I bet you'd get squeamish if
you accidentally stepped on a bloated tick the size of a large ripe
green-grape and the blood spurts all over your living-room. Do you know the
deer-tick has to be attached for over 24 hours to transmit the spirochete
that carries the Lyme? Just for your information, and to put a minor dent
in your paranoid stupidity: Lyme is not caused by the spirochete inside the
tick, the spirochete is just a carrier for Lyme. If you can destroy the
spirochete with antibiotics before the Lyme virus/prion (original cause is
still unknown, if virus or prion) leaves the bacteria then you have a good
chance of never getting it. This is why there's a 1-3 week window where
antibiotics are effective after confirmed infection. After the Lyme
virus/prion leaves the spirochete then it's too late and you are faced with
chronic Lyme. I've found deer-ticks in my house many times, even on me.
Doesn't bother me in the least. I'll find them long before they can ever
transmit anything to me.

Go back to your ignorant city life, you stupid paranoid fool.

I so hate when city-idiots like you try to perpetuate the paranoid nonsense
that was taught to you by equally stupid paranoid freaks that brainwash you
through the "fear sells!" media.

And again, I am left with having to correct a problem that the stupidity of
people like you create. It seems to never end.
The Verminator
2009-07-29 09:52:10 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:52:39 -0700 (PDT), PatM
Post by PatM
First off, people and raccoons don't mix -- especially in your house.
If you see a raccoon that is acting "strangely", including trying to
interact with humans, you should IMMEDIATELY shoot it and bag it.
Then take it to your local Public Health office for a rabies test.
I forgot to point out one very important thing.

The main reason I started to feed the wildlife here all began from one
desperate, brave, and heroic raccoon. She came to my door one day in the
middle of the afternoon, nothing but her ribs showing, starving to death.
Stumbling to my door with her two cubs in tow. She couldn't feed her cubs.
And do you know why? Because your MISERABLE LOW-LIFE CATS HAVE DESTROYED
THE FOOD-CHAIN HERE! If it wasn't for her courage to try to interact with a
human, in the middle of the day no less, and get the help she needed then
she and both of her cubs would have died.

So take your comment of "If you see a raccoon that is acting 'strangely',
including trying to interact with humans, you should IMMEDIATELY shoot it
and bag it." and shove it up your idiotic little ass where you head already
resides.

Now, thanks to the bravery of that one raccoon many years ago who was
"trying to interact with humans", she started me on helping many dozens of
wild animals to get them all a good start in life every year.

I so fucking hate asswipes like you who spread your "destroy all native
wildlife" paranoia propaganda. People like YOU should be shot for trying to
interact with intelligent and caring humans, then bagged and taken to a
local agency to check you for "acting strangely" stupidity genes.
Sublimation
2009-07-29 10:45:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Verminator
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:52:39 -0700 (PDT), PatM
Post by PatM
First off, people and raccoons don't mix -- especially in your house.
If you see a raccoon that is acting "strangely", including trying to
interact with humans, you should IMMEDIATELY shoot it and bag it.
Then take it to your local Public Health office for a rabies test.
I forgot to point out one very important thing.
The main reason I started to feed the wildlife here all began from one
desperate, brave, and heroic raccoon. She came to my door one day in the
middle of the afternoon, nothing but her ribs showing, starving to death.
Stumbling to my door with her two cubs in tow. She couldn't feed her cubs.
And do you know why? Because your MISERABLE LOW-LIFE CATS HAVE DESTROYED
THE FOOD-CHAIN HERE! If it wasn't for her courage to try to interact with a
human, in the middle of the day no less, and get the help she needed then
she and both of her cubs would have died.
So take your comment of "If you see a raccoon that is acting 'strangely',
including trying to interact with humans, you should IMMEDIATELY shoot it
and bag it." and shove it up your idiotic little ass where you head already
resides.
Now, thanks to the bravery of that one raccoon many years ago who was
"trying to interact with humans", she started me on helping many dozens of
wild animals to get them all a good start in life every year.
I so fucking hate asswipes like you who spread your "destroy all native
wildlife" paranoia propaganda. People like YOU should be shot for trying to
interact with intelligent and caring humans, then bagged and taken to a
local agency to check you for "acting strangely" stupidity genes.
I would rather spend time amongst pelicans than humans. I
often wonder if indeed we really do come back as animals, how
come there are fewer and fewer each year?
Put It In Perspective
2009-07-31 00:04:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by PatM
First off, people and raccoons don't mix -- especially in your house.
If you see a raccoon that is acting "strangely", including trying to
interact with humans, you should IMMEDIATELY shoot it and bag it.
Then take it to your local Public Health office for a rabies test.
Putting your ignorant paranoia in perspective:

http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/idcu/disease/rabies/cases/statistics/reports/us.pdf

Between 1950 to present, nearly two-thirds of a century, only 203 cases
have been reported and of those only 17 actually died. Many of those cases
were from contact with animals outside of the North America. That's only 1
person every 3.5 years for nearly a whole continent. Zero transmissions
reported from raccoons. Many cases transmitted by bites from house-cats,
confirmed. Following your adamant advice: if your house-cat is acting
strangely (when don't they?), IMMEDIATELY shoot it and bag it. Then take it
to your local Public Health office for a rabies test. Your house-cat has a
greater chance of having rabies than a wild raccoon. 488,000 hits on a
search for the words: rabies confirmed cat


A quick search for lightning-death statistics found this:

Lightning-Associated Deaths -- United States, 1980-1995

"In the United States from 1980 through 1995, a total of 1318 deaths were
attributed to lightning, (average: 82 deaths per year {range: 53-100
deaths}). Of the 1318 persons who died, 1125 (85%) were male, and 896 (68%)
were aged 15-44 years. The annual death rate from lightning was highest
among persons aged 15-19 years (6 deaths per 10,000,000 population; crude
rate: 3 per 10,000,000). The greatest number of deaths attributable to
lightning occurred in Florida and Texas (145 and 91, respectively), but New
Mexico, Arizona, Arkansas, and Mississippi had the highest rates (10.0,
9.0, 9.0, and 9.0, respectively)."

From: http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/PrevGuid/m0052833/m0052833.asp


For this ignorance and hysteria of yours you want everyone to shoot any
wild animal that is "acting strangely" when you don't even know what normal
behavior is for those animals. You have a 287 times greater risk of getting
struck by, and dying from, lightning than contracting rabies from any wild
animal, house-cats included.


Reign in your paranoia and educate yourself.

Nature photographers, you can now go and enjoy photographing those wild
animals with ease in your heart. PatM's paranoid ignorance has been
exterminated.

Bob Larter
2009-07-26 05:10:00 UTC
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Post by G Paleologopoulos
(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.
(snip more crap...)
Great, classic, troll stuff.
This is one more for the books.
Keep up the good postings.
Looks like out P&S troll is posting from EasyNews as well now.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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Savageduck
2009-07-26 10:36:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Larter
Post by G Paleologopoulos
(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.
(snip more crap...)
Great, classic, troll stuff.
This is one more for the books.
Keep up the good postings.
Looks like out P&S troll is posting from EasyNews as well now.
...but the headers and content still wave a bright red flag.
--
Regards,

Savageduck
Dale Thompson
2009-07-26 12:26:14 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:36:00 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by Bob Larter
Post by G Paleologopoulos
(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.
(snip more crap...)
Great, classic, troll stuff.
This is one more for the books.
Keep up the good postings.
Looks like out P&S troll is posting from EasyNews as well now.
...but the headers and content still wave a bright red flag.
If true thanks for the heads-up. With the way he was able to accurately rip
apart your poorly done beginner's snapshots and spot the terrible
aberration problems in your expensive lenses, as well as all the obvious
snapshot problems of Bob Gay Larter's garbage, it gives his posts here even
more credibility.
Savageduck
2009-07-26 12:44:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dale Thompson
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:36:00 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by Bob Larter
Post by G Paleologopoulos
(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.
(snip more crap...)
Great, classic, troll stuff.
This is one more for the books.
Keep up the good postings.
Looks like out P&S troll is posting from EasyNews as well now.
...but the headers and content still wave a bright red flag.
If true thanks for the heads-up. With the way he was able to accurately rip
apart your poorly done beginner's snapshots and spot the terrible
aberration problems in your expensive lenses, as well as all the obvious
snapshot problems of Bob Gay Larter's garbage, it gives his posts here even
more credibility.
...and there you are again.
--
Regards,

Savageduck
Mike Norquist
2009-07-26 12:54:51 UTC
Permalink
On 2009-07-26 05:26:14 -0700, Dale Thompson
Post by Dale Thompson
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:36:00 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by Bob Larter
Post by G Paleologopoulos
(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons,
opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.
(snip more crap...)
Great, classic, troll stuff.
This is one more for the books.
Keep up the good postings.
Looks like out P&S troll is posting from EasyNews as well now.
...but the headers and content still wave a bright red flag.
If true thanks for the heads-up. With the way he was able to
accurately rip
apart your poorly done beginner's snapshots and spot the terrible
aberration problems in your expensive lenses, as well as all the obvious
snapshot problems of Bob Gay Larter's garbage, it gives his posts here even
more credibility.
...and there you are again.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Now you're just going psychotic. But that's no surprise for someone
who pretends to be an experienced photographer but only posts badly
done snapshots and extremely poor editing examples. Next you'll be
claiming I'm the same person too.
Bob Larter
2009-07-27 02:48:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dale Thompson
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:36:00 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by Bob Larter
Post by G Paleologopoulos
(snip garbage, crap, etc...)
Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.
(snip more crap...)
Great, classic, troll stuff.
This is one more for the books.
Keep up the good postings.
Looks like out P&S troll is posting from EasyNews as well now.
...but the headers and content still wave a bright red flag.
If true thanks for the heads-up. With the way he was able to accurately rip
apart your poorly done beginner's snapshots and spot the terrible
aberration problems in your expensive lenses, as well as all the obvious
snapshot problems of Bob Gay Larter's garbage, it gives his posts here even
more credibility.
LOL. Sure thing, 'Dale'.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
P***@cakes.com
2009-07-26 03:51:23 UTC
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Post by The Verminator
Post by Me
Post by RichA
Like he was going to keep those shots? Is this a joke?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=32477260
Actually - the first shot isn't too bad IMO. Nice deep colours,
reasonable composition. I don't like cats much (they kill the native
lizards and birds in my garden, and frustrate my trained cat-killing dog
who unfortunately can't climb trees to get them) but if you like cats,
it's probably okay.
I guess you don't live in the country. I shot about five of the neighbor's
cats this past week. It's not only legal to do so, the authorities here
encouraged me to when asked what to do about them over-running the land.
Their only advice, "Feel free to shoot them, but don't tell the owners
where their cats went if they ever come by asking about them. They'll just
cause even more problems for everyone with their baseless whining."
I'm tired of them destroying the native food chain. If they're not killing
important native wildlife, then they're destroying the food sources for all
the native animals higher on the food chain. I've not seen nor heard an owl
in over 5 years due to irresponsible pet-owners' lousy cats destroying all
the owls' food sources. They don't even eat what they kill, they just kill
for sport. Domestic cats are good target practice. That's all they'll ever
be good for. I feed their remains to some local raccoons, opossums, and
foxes. At least someone is finally putting their "cute Fluffy" to good use.
Notice to all irresponsible cat-owners -- Keep your lousy piece-of-shit cat
indoors where it belongs. If not ... consider it target practice and then
don't cry about it when it doesn't come home one day. It'll be your own
damn fault. Nobody to blame but your lousy irresponsible self.
I have a movie here of someone shooting prairie dogs with a 30-30 or something,
with a scope. One shot not only kills them, but skins them too!!
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