Discussion:
Best advice for those wanting iPad
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RichA
2010-04-08 23:09:40 UTC
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Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
George Kerby
2010-04-08 23:50:54 UTC
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On 4/8/10 6:09 PM, in article
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
You REALLY are an idiot, are you not?

It comes with a cable that interfaces with USB. Your conclusions are that of
a hydrocephalic reptile, dipshit.

Tell me, can you walk and find you distal anal sphincter with both hands at
the same time?
RichA
2010-04-09 01:33:27 UTC
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Post by George Kerby
On 4/8/10 6:09 PM, in article
Wait for HP to release its version.  No USB port Apple?  Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
You REALLY are an idiot, are you not?
It comes with a cable that interfaces with USB. Your conclusions are that of
Then Apple are just cheap ass-----?
Mr. Strat
2010-04-09 02:39:06 UTC
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In article
Post by RichA
Then Apple are just cheap ass-----?
How's that grammar checker workin' out for ya?
George Kerby
2010-04-09 12:17:38 UTC
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On 4/8/10 8:33 PM, in article
Post by RichA
Post by George Kerby
On 4/8/10 6:09 PM, in article
Wait for HP to release its version.  No USB port Apple?  Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
You REALLY are an idiot, are you not?
It comes with a cable that interfaces with USB. Your conclusions are that of
Then Apple are just cheap ass-----?
And, clearly, English is not your primary language.
SMS
2010-04-09 02:09:09 UTC
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Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
The reason for the lack of a USB port is not because of content control.
You can upload content through the cable that comes with it. It's not a
host USB port, but you don't need a host USB port for uploading content.

What they don't want to happen is for the iPad to end up in the vertical
marketplace with all sorts of USB peripherals plugged into a host USB
port. It would be an ideal platform for a _lot_ of vertical applications
if it had a USB port where you could connect scientific, health care,
and other peripherals; it's relatively inexpensive, and it has excellent
battery life and a good display.

The last thing Apple wants is the iPad ending up being used in
commercial and industrial applications with software being loaded onto
it via conduits other than the apps store, and with no prospect of
selling content like books, movies, and music. Imagine the iPad as the
base unit for digital storage oscilloscope, a health monitor for home
health care (blood pressure, diabetic testing, etc.) a mobile retail
terminal with a bar code scanner, etc., all things that current (and
expensive) Windows based tablets and UPCs are now being used for. Unless
someone gets really creative, is able to get true multi-tasking working,
and is able to somehow get a host USB port, the iPad can't be used in
ways that Apple doesn't want it used.
C J Campbell
2010-04-09 02:54:54 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
The reason for the lack of a USB port is not because of content
control. You can upload content through the cable that comes with it.
It's not a host USB port, but you don't need a host USB port for
uploading content.
What they don't want to happen is for the iPad to end up in the
vertical marketplace with all sorts of USB peripherals plugged into a
host USB port. It would be an ideal platform for a _lot_ of vertical
applications if it had a USB port where you could connect scientific,
health care, and other peripherals; it's relatively inexpensive, and it
has excellent battery life and a good display.
The last thing Apple wants is the iPad ending up being used in
commercial and industrial applications with software being loaded onto
it via conduits other than the apps store, and with no prospect of
selling content like books, movies, and music. Imagine the iPad as the
base unit for digital storage oscilloscope, a health monitor for home
health care (blood pressure, diabetic testing, etc.) a mobile retail
terminal with a bar code scanner, etc., all things that current (and
expensive) Windows based tablets and UPCs are now being used for.
Unless someone gets really creative, is able to get true multi-tasking
working, and is able to somehow get a host USB port, the iPad can't be
used in ways that Apple doesn't want it used.
Obviously you missed today's presentation on iPhone OS 4.0. Jobs
outlined seven "tentpole features" that are the foundation of the
changes. One of these tentpole features is new Enterprise features,
including data protection, mobile device management, wireless app
distribution allowing enterprises to securely host an wirelessly
distribute in-house apps over Wi-Fi and 3G without employees even
having to connect to their computers, improved Mail and Exchange
support and SSL VPN support. So, first of all, you are wrong about
Apple not wanting the iPad being used in commercial and industrial
applications with software being loaded on onto it through conduits
other than the App Store.

Also, 4.0 will have true multitasking, so you are wrong about that, too.

The other five tentpole features are app Folders (thank you, Apple), a
unified mailbox (good), a Games Center (big deal, a social gaming
network -- Storm8 will be thrilled with it), and iAd(!?). Developers
will love iAd; I predict that users will hate it. iAd allows developers
to encode HTML5 content into apps that will run ads without being
dumped into a web browser -- the app itself will run these "interactive
ad experiences." The developers will get a 60% cut of advertising
revenue. Jobs alluded to the fact that Google makes its revenues from
paid search placement on the desktop. Apparently this is the model that
Apple will be following in the future.

iAds for ToyStory 3 and Air Jordan were demonstrated. ToyStory3 allowed
you to play a mini game inside the ad. The Air Jordan ad allowed you to
design your own custom shoes, find a store, and design a custom dorm
room all within the ad.

Note that Apple is basing these ads on HTML5 only -- still no Flash or
Java. But the HTML5 may be rendered using any tools that the ad agency
wants to use. Personally, I just about collapsed when Jobs said, "We
don't know much about this advertising thing." Yeah, right.

Anyway, the iPad already has access to Amazon and Barnes & Noble
bookstores, bypassing Apple's bookstore completely, so you were wrong
about Apple preventing people bypassing their stores to begin with. It
is obvious that Apple's business model for the iPhone and iPad includes
a great deal of advertising revenue. The app stores and everything else
are just there to get you to view the ads.

USB is so 20th century anyway, as is Firewire. You might as well demand
a serial or parallel port or a floppy disk drive. You want a buggy whip
holder with that? Everything is supposed to connect to the iPad
wirelessly. But if you really need it, you can get a USB port for your
iPad, just as you can get an external floppy disk drive for your laptop
if you think you really need it.
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World Famous Flight Instructor
SMS
2010-04-09 14:53:18 UTC
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On 08/04/10 7:54 PM, C J Campbell wrote:

<snip>
Post by C J Campbell
Obviously you missed today's presentation on iPhone OS 4.0. Jobs
Also, 4.0 will have true multitasking, so you are wrong about that, too.
Nope, unfortunately 4.0 doesn't have true multi-tasking. They made a
little progress, but they are not there yet. You must have missed the
presentation on 4.0.
Post by C J Campbell
USB is so 20th century anyway, as is Firewire. You might as well demand
a serial or parallel port or a floppy disk drive. You want a buggy whip
holder with that? Everything is supposed to connect to the iPad
wirelessly.
Nope, no iPad support for most Bluetooth profiles. 802.11 would be a
possibility.

What you need to understand is that nearly all the peripherals now being
used with tablets and thin clients in vertical applications are
connected via USB. In many instances there are even older interfaces
being used. These devices aren't going to be redesigned, and replaced,
to work with a device that lacks the most popular and most basic of I/O.
It was a conscious decision of Apple to not include connectivity that
would allow the iPad to be used in ways that did not generate revenue
from content.

Apple is certainly free to put, or not put, whatever hardware and
software features into their products that they believe will generate
the most revenue.
nospam
2010-04-09 15:20:51 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by C J Campbell
Obviously you missed today's presentation on iPhone OS 4.0. Jobs
Also, 4.0 will have true multitasking, so you are wrong about that, too.
Nope, unfortunately 4.0 doesn't have true multi-tasking. They made a
little progress, but they are not there yet. You must have missed the
presentation on 4.0.
it's very definitely 'true multitasking,' which is really nothing more
than a meaningless buzzword.
Post by SMS
What you need to understand is that nearly all the peripherals now being
used with tablets and thin clients in vertical applications are
connected via USB. In many instances there are even older interfaces
being used. These devices aren't going to be redesigned, and replaced,
to work with a device that lacks the most popular and most basic of I/O.
It was a conscious decision of Apple to not include connectivity that
would allow the iPad to be used in ways that did not generate revenue
from content.
bullshit.
C J Campbell
2010-04-10 00:20:00 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by SMS
Post by C J Campbell
Obviously you missed today's presentation on iPhone OS 4.0. Jobs
Also, 4.0 will have true multitasking, so you are wrong about that, too.
Nope, unfortunately 4.0 doesn't have true multi-tasking. They made a
little progress, but they are not there yet. You must have missed the
presentation on 4.0.
it's very definitely 'true multitasking,' which is really nothing more
than a meaningless buzzword.
Post by SMS
What you need to understand is that nearly all the peripherals now being
used with tablets and thin clients in vertical applications are
connected via USB. In many instances there are even older interfaces
being used. These devices aren't going to be redesigned, and replaced,
to work with a device that lacks the most popular and most basic of I/O.
It was a conscious decision of Apple to not include connectivity that
would allow the iPad to be used in ways that did not generate revenue
from content.
bullshit.
Couldn't have said it better myself. But then, it is SMS, who gets his
facts right about as often as Rich does.
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Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
Savageduck
2010-04-10 01:57:26 UTC
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On 2010-04-09 17:20:00 -0700, C J Campbell
Post by C J Campbell
Post by nospam
Post by SMS
Post by C J Campbell
Obviously you missed today's presentation on iPhone OS 4.0. Jobs
Also, 4.0 will have true multitasking, so you are wrong about that, too.
Nope, unfortunately 4.0 doesn't have true multi-tasking. They made a
little progress, but they are not there yet. You must have missed the
presentation on 4.0.
it's very definitely 'true multitasking,' which is really nothing more
than a meaningless buzzword.
Post by SMS
What you need to understand is that nearly all the peripherals now being
used with tablets and thin clients in vertical applications are
connected via USB. In many instances there are even older interfaces
being used. These devices aren't going to be redesigned, and replaced,
to work with a device that lacks the most popular and most basic of I/O.
It was a conscious decision of Apple to not include connectivity that
would allow the iPad to be used in ways that did not generate revenue
from content.
bullshit.
Couldn't have said it better myself. But then, it is SMS, who gets his
facts right about as often as Rich does.
I have my WiFi router at home and I have 2 printers and a hard drive
hooked up to that. My backups for a MacBook Pro and a desktop Mac are
done via Timemachine wirelessly on my home WiFi network. All of my
printing is done wirelessly the same way. I have no USB print or hard
drive peripherals hooked up at all.
My phone (not an iPhone) is also connected to the network via WiFi, as
is my iPod Touch.

I still use some Firewire portable drives from OWC, and I plug in the
occasional USB thumbdrive. However, it would be easy enough to attach a
USB hub to the WiFi router for all of that, if I ever bought an iPad,
which for now I have no need.
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Regards,

Savageduck
Robert Coe
2010-04-12 01:51:18 UTC
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:53:18 -0700, SMS <***@geemail.com> wrote:
: On 08/04/10 7:54 PM, C J Campbell wrote:
:
: <snip>
:
: > Obviously you missed today's presentation on iPhone OS 4.0. Jobs
: > Also, 4.0 will have true multitasking, so you are wrong about that, too.
:
: Nope, unfortunately 4.0 doesn't have true multi-tasking. They made a
: little progress, but they are not there yet. You must have missed the
: presentation on 4.0.
:
: > USB is so 20th century anyway, as is Firewire. You might as well demand
: > a serial or parallel port or a floppy disk drive. You want a buggy whip
: > holder with that? Everything is supposed to connect to the iPad
: > wirelessly.
:
: Nope, no iPad support for most Bluetooth profiles. 802.11 would be a
: possibility.
:
: What you need to understand is that nearly all the peripherals now being
: used with tablets and thin clients in vertical applications are
: connected via USB. In many instances there are even older interfaces
: being used. These devices aren't going to be redesigned, and replaced,
: to work with a device that lacks the most popular and most basic of I/O.
: It was a conscious decision of Apple to not include connectivity that
: would allow the iPad to be used in ways that did not generate revenue
: from content.
:
: Apple is certainly free to put, or not put, whatever hardware and
: software features into their products that they believe will generate
: the most revenue.

And if they've guessed wrong, they may have shot themselves in the foot
bigtime. I won't care, but some in this newsgroup obviously will.

Bob
Alan Browne
2010-04-09 18:33:13 UTC
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Post by SMS
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
The reason for the lack of a USB port is not because of content control.
You can upload content through the cable that comes with it. It's not a
host USB port, but you don't need a host USB port for uploading content.
However, you might want one at a meeting when someone has data on a USB
key (or wants data from your iPad). That's when the iPad owner blushes
and confesses that he forgot the adaptor at home and gets laughed out of
the room.

This is one of the failings to me of the iPad for my potential use as a
light travel computer. (I was also hoping it would be an intel "Mac" OS
X based machine and have at least 128 GB of flash or a 160 GB hard disk).
Post by SMS
What they don't want to happen is for the iPad to end up in the vertical
marketplace with all sorts of USB peripherals plugged into a host USB
port. It would be an ideal platform for a _lot_ of vertical applications
if it had a USB port where you could connect scientific, health care,
and other peripherals; it's relatively inexpensive, and it has excellent
battery life and a good display.
I don't think the above is the main strategic reason. They really want
the iPad user to be universally "online" via WiFi or 3G in order to keep
the user tethered to the Apps store, iTunes and iBooks.
Post by SMS
The last thing Apple wants is the iPad ending up being used in
commercial and industrial applications with software being loaded onto
it via conduits other than the apps store, and with no prospect of
selling content like books, movies, and music. Imagine the iPad as the
base unit for digital storage oscilloscope, a health monitor for home
health care (blood pressure, diabetic testing, etc.) a mobile retail
terminal with a bar code scanner, etc., all things that current (and
expensive) Windows based tablets and UPCs are now being used for. Unless
someone gets really creative, is able to get true multi-tasking working,
and is able to somehow get a host USB port, the iPad can't be used in
ways that Apple doesn't want it used.
They can't control that at all. People will find ways to do the above
and to write Apps (even if blessed by Apple) to integrate them.

Per news today, the iPhone OS will be "sort of" multitaksing and this
will be present in the iPad as well.

W/o photography tools, my choice of office tools and more memory (128 GB
would have been just right), the iPad is not useful to me as a travel sword.
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SMS
2010-04-09 22:20:41 UTC
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Post by Alan Browne
Post by SMS
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
The reason for the lack of a USB port is not because of content control.
You can upload content through the cable that comes with it. It's not a
host USB port, but you don't need a host USB port for uploading content.
However, you might want one at a meeting when someone has data on a USB
key (or wants data from your iPad). That's when the iPad owner blushes
and confesses that he forgot the adaptor at home and gets laughed out of
the room.
From what I understand, you won't be able to get data off the iPad with
a USB key. You'll be able to upload certain things to the iPad, but
that's it.
Post by Alan Browne
This is one of the failings to me of the iPad for my potential use as a
light travel computer. (I was also hoping it would be an intel "Mac" OS
X based machine and have at least 128 GB of flash or a 160 GB hard disk).
The iPad is not intended for that sort of use.
Post by Alan Browne
Post by SMS
What they don't want to happen is for the iPad to end up in the vertical
marketplace with all sorts of USB peripherals plugged into a host USB
port. It would be an ideal platform for a _lot_ of vertical applications
if it had a USB port where you could connect scientific, health care,
and other peripherals; it's relatively inexpensive, and it has excellent
battery life and a good display.
I don't think the above is the main strategic reason. They really want
the iPad user to be universally "online" via WiFi or 3G in order to keep
the user tethered to the Apps store, iTunes and iBooks.
No, you just agreed with the earlier statement. Those vertical
applications will not drive any content sales. It's like someone buying
a subsidized cell phone then not using it on the carrier it was intended
for (i.e. Verizon was having a big problem with people buying their
prepaid InPulse phones and activating them on PagePlus until they
recently made changes to their system that prevented this).
Alan Browne
2010-04-10 14:23:33 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by Alan Browne
Post by SMS
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
The reason for the lack of a USB port is not because of content control.
You can upload content through the cable that comes with it. It's not a
host USB port, but you don't need a host USB port for uploading content.
However, you might want one at a meeting when someone has data on a USB
key (or wants data from your iPad). That's when the iPad owner blushes
and confesses that he forgot the adaptor at home and gets laughed out of
the room.
From what I understand, you won't be able to get data off the iPad with
a USB key. You'll be able to upload certain things to the iPad, but
that's it.
I don't know, but that does not make sense. Then again so many things
about the iPad do not make sense.
Post by SMS
Post by Alan Browne
This is one of the failings to me of the iPad for my potential use as a
light travel computer. (I was also hoping it would be an intel "Mac" OS
X based machine and have at least 128 GB of flash or a 160 GB hard disk).
The iPad is not intended for that sort of use.
Yes, it's been strategically crippled. While it will run office apps
(such as pages, numbers and presentation s/w) this is tightly controlled
by Apple.

As to intention, for the processing capability it is capable of much
more than Apple are unleashing. Again, all strategic.
Post by SMS
Post by Alan Browne
Post by SMS
What they don't want to happen is for the iPad to end up in the vertical
marketplace with all sorts of USB peripherals plugged into a host USB
port. It would be an ideal platform for a _lot_ of vertical applications
if it had a USB port where you could connect scientific, health care,
and other peripherals; it's relatively inexpensive, and it has excellent
battery life and a good display.
I don't think the above is the main strategic reason. They really want
the iPad user to be universally "online" via WiFi or 3G in order to keep
the user tethered to the Apps store, iTunes and iBooks.
No, you just agreed with the earlier statement. Those vertical
applications will not drive any content sales. It's like someone buying
a subsidized cell phone then not using it on the carrier it was intended
for (i.e. Verizon was having a big problem with people buying their
prepaid InPulse phones and activating them on PagePlus until they
recently made changes to their system that prevented this).
Sure.
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David J. Littleboy
2010-04-09 02:28:27 UTC
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Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Nah, the best advice for someone wanting an iPad is to shut up and buy one
and enjoy it. When HP releases its version, you'll be telling us to wait for
Apple's response, and anyone dumb enough to take your advice will never get
one.
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David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
C J Campbell
2010-04-09 03:31:20 UTC
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Post by David J. Littleboy
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Nah, the best advice for someone wanting an iPad is to shut up and buy one
and enjoy it. When HP releases its version, you'll be telling us to wait for
Apple's response, and anyone dumb enough to take your advice will never get
one.
Rich really doesn't get it. The iPhone is now the dominant mobile OS
with a 69% market share. The iPad is the death knell of Windoze based
netbooks and even many laptops. In fact, we are also probably nearing
the life cycle of both Windows and OS X. Both of these operating
systems are getting pretty long in the tooth. Essentially, the iPhone
has become OS XI. Apple will continue to release new Macs and new
versions of OS X for a few years, but I would not be surprised to see
Macs slowly disappearing. Microsoft is going to have to stop thinking
of itself as "Windows, Inc." and either come up with a total
replacement or die.
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Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
Alan Browne
2010-04-09 18:30:13 UTC
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Post by C J Campbell
Post by David J. Littleboy
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Nah, the best advice for someone wanting an iPad is to shut up and buy one
and enjoy it. When HP releases its version, you'll be telling us to wait for
Apple's response, and anyone dumb enough to take your advice will never get
one.
Rich really doesn't get it. The iPhone is now the dominant mobile OS
with a 69% market share. The iPad is the death knell of Windoze based
netbooks and even many laptops. In fact, we are also probably nearing
the life cycle of both Windows and OS X. Both of these operating systems
are getting pretty long in the tooth.
Windows still commands the largest share of computers and that won't
change for a long time. Too much inertia.
Post by C J Campbell
Essentially, the iPhone has become
OS XI. Apple will continue to release new Macs and new versions of OS X
for a few years, but I would not be surprised to see Macs slowly
disappearing.
I doubt it. There is huge community of Mac users that need them for
business as well as personal pursuits. OS X is a very reliable and
stable platform. It has enjoyed a growth spurt as a result of
iPod/iTunes sales. It is also a high margin business for Apple. With
the latest microprocessors (quad core) the whole line gets a refresh.
With the multi CPU/Core design supported by OS X (GCD) applications
writers will be free'd from worrying over performance and let the OS
manage threads for optimal load. Etc., Etc., Etc.

The value proposition of a Mac is better now than it was 10 years ago.
They are still expensive, but one will tend to use one for longer than a
similar PC platform w/o suffering performance issues.

Now that the clock-cycle war is pretty much over, there seems to be less
urgent need to upgrade PCs or Macs every couple/three years.

For mobile, Android may carve out a good sized niche. I don't think
windows will survive in that arena.

For cloud, Chrome-OS might make inroads. I'm skeptical.
Post by C J Campbell
Microsoft is going to have to stop thinking of itself as
"Windows, Inc." and either come up with a total replacement or die.
It's actually going to remain their bread and butter, as well as
platforms such as Office, databases and server s/w. They have a broad
and strong s/w portfolio - they will not go quietly into the night.

The biggest threat to Apple is really the demise of Steve Jobs. He is
the visionary. Once he leaves, Apple risks becoming just another
corporation with huge assets, sales and petulant shareholders.

Succession planning, or the failure of same, has turned great companies
into all ordinaries. Apple has such a plan and a lot is vested into the
marketing and engineering VEEP's, but that doesn't mean they have the
Jobs drive.
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C J Campbell
2010-04-10 00:58:05 UTC
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On 2010-04-09 11:30:13 -0700, Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
Post by C J Campbell
Post by David J. Littleboy
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Nah, the best advice for someone wanting an iPad is to shut up and buy one
and enjoy it. When HP releases its version, you'll be telling us to wait for
Apple's response, and anyone dumb enough to take your advice will never get
one.
Rich really doesn't get it. The iPhone is now the dominant mobile OS
with a 69% market share. The iPad is the death knell of Windoze based
netbooks and even many laptops. In fact, we are also probably nearing
the life cycle of both Windows and OS X. Both of these operating systems
are getting pretty long in the tooth.
Windows still commands the largest share of computers and that won't
change for a long time. Too much inertia.
This is true. But the thing is, these big operating systems that try to
be all things to all people have lots of capability -- but lots of
things that go wrong with them. Seriously, what do 90% of people do
with their computers? They surf the net, they read their email, they
look at their pictures, and they play games. Most have one or two
applications with which they do actual work, whether it is designing
embroidery or maintaining a simple budget. For all that, do most people
really NEED Windows or OS X? I think not. And I think an awful lot of
people are going to put simplicity and reliability ahead of everything
else.

Don't believe it? Take a look at Bose. Bose makes nice (as in "not
great") stereo systems. Sure, you can get better stereo systems for
less money. But those stereo systems are big and clunky, and they look
it. No, Bose will not fill your 25'x30' room. But most people don't
even HAVE a 25'x30' room. And they are willing to pay big bucks for a
product that, while technically inferior, gives them a lot less trouble.
Post by Alan Browne
Post by C J Campbell
Essentially, the iPhone has become
OS XI. Apple will continue to release new Macs and new versions of OS X
for a few years, but I would not be surprised to see Macs slowly
disappearing.
I doubt it. There is huge community of Mac users that need them for
business as well as personal pursuits. OS X is a very reliable and
stable platform. It has enjoyed a growth spurt as a result of
iPod/iTunes sales. It is also a high margin business for Apple. With
the latest microprocessors (quad core) the whole line gets a refresh.
With the multi CPU/Core design supported by OS X (GCD) applications
writers will be free'd from worrying over performance and let the OS
manage threads for optimal load. Etc., Etc., Etc.
There will always be a place for laptops and desktop machines. But,
seriously, you cannot tell me that the vast majority of users actually
need these machines.
Post by Alan Browne
The value proposition of a Mac is better now than it was 10 years ago.
They are still expensive, but one will tend to use one for longer than
a similar PC platform w/o suffering performance issues.
Now that the clock-cycle war is pretty much over, there seems to be
less urgent need to upgrade PCs or Macs every couple/three years.
True. But marketing departments are pretty creative at convincing
people otherwise.
Post by Alan Browne
For mobile, Android may carve out a good sized niche. I don't think
windows will survive in that arena.
For cloud, Chrome-OS might make inroads. I'm skeptical.
Windows Mobile, at the least, has lost. Of course, the same was said of
Apple not so many years ago. But I am not imaginative enough to
conceive of any future where Windows Mobile is a dominant OS.
Post by Alan Browne
Post by C J Campbell
Microsoft is going to have to stop thinking of itself as
"Windows, Inc." and either come up with a total replacement or die.
It's actually going to remain their bread and butter, as well as
platforms such as Office, databases and server s/w. They have a broad
and strong s/w portfolio - they will not go quietly into the night.
No, they won't. Neither did IBM, but Microsoft finally managed to break
IBM's monopoly. But Microsoft is going to have to become a lot more
innovative than they are, lest Apple (or, more likely, someone we have
not even heard of) does the same for them.
Post by Alan Browne
The biggest threat to Apple is really the demise of Steve Jobs. He is
the visionary. Once he leaves, Apple risks becoming just another
corporation with huge assets, sales and petulant shareholders.
Very true. For every Steve Jobs there are a dozen guys like Chris
Galvin, who presided over the decline of Motorola. And Steve Jobs is
not good at cultivating leadership that could step into his shoes. Bill
Gates, at least, had the sense to find a Steve Ballmer and step down.
Post by Alan Browne
Succession planning, or the failure of same, has turned great companies
into all ordinaries. Apple has such a plan and a lot is vested into
the marketing and engineering VEEP's, but that doesn't mean they have
the Jobs drive.
Apple has really been three different companies already. Jobs built the
original Apple, but then destroyed through gross mismanagement. He went
on to NeXT, which he also mismanaged. During that time Apple was
mismanaged by a series of CEOs (who all seemed to be taking management
lessons from Chris Galvin). Jobs came back when Apple bought NeXT, but
still didn't do much with the company.

The guy who saved Apple was not Steve Jobs. It was Jonathan Ive. Jobs
has been very lucky in having Ive available. Ive designed the iMac, the
PowerBook, the iPhone, and the iPad. Otherwise, for all we know, Apple
would still be trying to sell boxy Macs, Newtons, and Macintosh
Portables. If they were in business at all.

Well, the graveyards are full of indispensable men. Some really were
indispensable. Others, not so much. Which of those Jobs is, we will not
know for some time yet.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
Alan Browne
2010-04-13 20:43:41 UTC
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On 2010-04-09 11:30:13 -0700, Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
Post by C J Campbell
Post by David J. Littleboy
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Nah, the best advice for someone wanting an iPad is to shut up and buy one
and enjoy it. When HP releases its version, you'll be telling us to wait for
Apple's response, and anyone dumb enough to take your advice will never get
one.
Rich really doesn't get it. The iPhone is now the dominant mobile OS
with a 69% market share. The iPad is the death knell of Windoze based
netbooks and even many laptops. In fact, we are also probably nearing
the life cycle of both Windows and OS X. Both of these operating systems
are getting pretty long in the tooth.
Windows still commands the largest share of computers and that won't
change for a long time. Too much inertia.
This is true. But the thing is, these big operating systems that try to
be all things to all people have lots of capability -- but lots of
things that go wrong with them. Seriously, what do 90% of people do with
their computers? They surf the net, they read their email, they look at
their pictures, and they play games. Most have one or two applications
with which they do actual work, whether it is designing embroidery or
maintaining a simple budget. For all that, do most people really NEED
Windows or OS X? I think not. And I think an awful lot of people are
going to put simplicity and reliability ahead of everything else.
It doesn't matter. General Purposes OS' are exactly that. GP. It
doesn't mean that everyone will do everything with them. What is
important is that the information interchange between systems are in the
same formats. And that is less and less a distinction between OS types.

If you're marketing a laptop or PC and want to sell it, you have little
choice but windows compliance.
Post by C J Campbell
Don't believe it? Take a look at Bose. Bose makes nice (as in "not
great") stereo systems. Sure, you can get better stereo systems for less
money. But those stereo systems are big and clunky, and they look it.
No, Bose will not fill your 25'x30' room. But most people don't even
HAVE a 25'x30' room. And they are willing to pay big bucks for a product
that, while technically inferior, gives them a lot less trouble.
I have a piecemeal sound system (home theatre really) and I have no
issues other than a PVR that can no longer find a time sync over cable
and byzantine Canadian content laws where switching to digital for HD
are concerned.
Post by C J Campbell
Post by Alan Browne
Post by C J Campbell
Essentially, the iPhone has become
OS XI. Apple will continue to release new Macs and new versions of OS X
for a few years, but I would not be surprised to see Macs slowly
disappearing.
I doubt it. There is huge community of Mac users that need them for
business as well as personal pursuits. OS X is a very reliable and
stable platform. It has enjoyed a growth spurt as a result of
iPod/iTunes sales. It is also a high margin business for Apple. With
the latest microprocessors (quad core) the whole line gets a refresh.
With the multi CPU/Core design supported by OS X (GCD) applications
writers will be free'd from worrying over performance and let the OS
manage threads for optimal load. Etc., Etc., Etc.
There will always be a place for laptops and desktop machines. But,
seriously, you cannot tell me that the vast majority of users actually
need these machines.
These days almost everyone needs a "home" system whether a desktop or
laptop. The iPad cannot fulfill that role. It could have been a great
lite replacement for "road apps" but is a little short there (at least
so far - if there is a light image editor that can handle raw, then I
might cave in). Not to mention the lack of USB ports which I may have
mentioned in the past.
Post by C J Campbell
Post by Alan Browne
The value proposition of a Mac is better now than it was 10 years ago.
They are still expensive, but one will tend to use one for longer than
a similar PC platform w/o suffering performance issues.
Now that the clock-cycle war is pretty much over, there seems to be
less urgent need to upgrade PCs or Macs every couple/three years.
True. But marketing departments are pretty creative at convincing people
otherwise.
I used to update machines or motherboards about every 2 years and never
more than 2.5 years. My Win machine is 5 years old now and will still
be here for the next few years AFAICT - unless I have some valid need to
get a Win7 environment and even then it could probably handle it.
(WinXP is more than adequate for the Win box).

My Mac is still satisfyingly quick, but I'll change the HD to 2 TB soon
and I believe I can change the ram to 6 GB (from 4) but I have to look
into that more carefully.
Post by C J Campbell
Post by Alan Browne
For mobile, Android may carve out a good sized niche. I don't think
windows will survive in that arena.
For cloud, Chrome-OS might make inroads. I'm skeptical.
Windows Mobile, at the least, has lost. Of course, the same was said of
Apple not so many years ago. But I am not imaginative enough to conceive
of any future where Windows Mobile is a dominant OS.
Agree. I just hope that Chrome-OS is not too light and "cloud"
dependent. I hope it will really be an open box Linux. Then all sorts
of possibilities open up.
Post by C J Campbell
Post by Alan Browne
Post by C J Campbell
Microsoft is going to have to stop thinking of itself as
"Windows, Inc." and either come up with a total replacement or die.
It's actually going to remain their bread and butter, as well as
platforms such as Office, databases and server s/w. They have a broad
and strong s/w portfolio - they will not go quietly into the night.
No, they won't. Neither did IBM, but Microsoft finally managed to break
IBM's monopoly. But Microsoft is going to have to become a lot more
innovative than they are, lest Apple (or, more likely, someone we have
not even heard of) does the same for them.
Microsoft did not beat IBM's monopoly. IBM screwed that up all by
themselves. The misadventure with OS/2 was part of IBM's not getting it
at all. (There was nothing wrong with OS/2, per se, just the way it was
positioned and marketed).
Post by C J Campbell
Post by Alan Browne
The biggest threat to Apple is really the demise of Steve Jobs. He is
the visionary. Once he leaves, Apple risks becoming just another
corporation with huge assets, sales and petulant shareholders.
Very true. For every Steve Jobs there are a dozen guys like Chris
Galvin, who presided over the decline of Motorola. And Steve Jobs is not
good at cultivating leadership that could step into his shoes. Bill
Gates, at least, had the sense to find a Steve Ballmer and step down.
Balmer was "found" a long time before Gates hung up his hat (and you can
be sure that as shareholder #1 he is quietly there).
Post by C J Campbell
Post by Alan Browne
Succession planning, or the failure of same, has turned great
companies into all ordinaries. Apple has such a plan and a lot is
vested into the marketing and engineering VEEP's, but that doesn't
mean they have the Jobs drive.
Apple has really been three different companies already. Jobs built the
original Apple, but then destroyed through gross mismanagement. He went
on to NeXT, which he also mismanaged.
Not sure that he mismanaged that, more that the world did not see the
need for the Next in a world dominated by Windows and some cute company
with a fruit logo.
Post by C J Campbell
During that time Apple was
mismanaged by a series of CEOs (who all seemed to be taking management
lessons from Chris Galvin). Jobs came back when Apple bought NeXT, but
still didn't do much with the company.
The guy who saved Apple was not Steve Jobs. It was Jonathan Ive. Jobs
has been very lucky in having Ive available. Ive designed the iMac, the
PowerBook, the iPhone, and the iPad. Otherwise, for all we know, Apple
would still be trying to sell boxy Macs, Newtons, and Macintosh
Portables. If they were in business at all.
I don't agree with that completely. Certainly Jobs did not do anything
alone, but he had a lot of "singular purpose dust" in his pockets and
was able to coral the co. properly.
Post by C J Campbell
Well, the graveyards are full of indispensable men. Some really were
indispensable. Others, not so much. Which of those Jobs is, we will not
know for some time yet.
Time will tell. Certainly when he was ill, shareholders were very
nervous. That's perception - reality is waiting on the fat lady.
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Mr. Strat
2010-04-09 02:37:54 UTC
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Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Oh yeah, the HP is a real winner - 5-hour battery and an Atom
processor. Woooo...let me get in line.
ray
2010-04-09 02:44:13 UTC
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Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
nospam
2010-04-09 04:13:51 UTC
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Post by ray
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
it's not a netbook, nor is it half one.
C J Campbell
2010-04-09 05:14:30 UTC
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Post by ray
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
it's not a netbook, nor is it half one.
Nor is it intended to be one. This thing is something else entirely.
Your comment is like looking at an apple and saying it is not an
orange, nor is it half one.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
ray
2010-04-09 22:26:29 UTC
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Post by ray
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
it's not a netbook, nor is it half one.
You're right, of course, it doesn't even have half the capability of a
netbook - though it does cost over twice as much.
nospam
2010-04-10 02:13:45 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by ray
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
it's not a netbook, nor is it half one.
You're right, of course, it doesn't even have half the capability of a
netbook - though it does cost over twice as much.
since it's not a netbook, how can it have half the capabilities of one?
John A.
2010-04-10 02:27:41 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by nospam
Post by ray
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
it's not a netbook, nor is it half one.
You're right, of course, it doesn't even have half the capability of a
netbook - though it does cost over twice as much.
since it's not a netbook, how can it have half the capabilities of one?
Huh?

A pickup isn't a dump truck, but it certainly has a certain fraction
of the capabilities of one.
nospam
2010-04-10 02:40:16 UTC
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Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by ray
Post by nospam
Post by ray
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
it's not a netbook, nor is it half one.
You're right, of course, it doesn't even have half the capability of a
netbook - though it does cost over twice as much.
since it's not a netbook, how can it have half the capabilities of one?
Huh?
A pickup isn't a dump truck, but it certainly has a certain fraction
of the capabilities of one.
bad analogy. they're both trucks.

the ipad is not a netbook, it's a tablet. it has a lot more in common
with a kindle than it does a netbook. it's in many ways, a kindle on an
awful lot of steroids.
John A.
2010-04-10 03:02:01 UTC
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Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by ray
Post by nospam
Post by ray
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
it's not a netbook, nor is it half one.
You're right, of course, it doesn't even have half the capability of a
netbook - though it does cost over twice as much.
since it's not a netbook, how can it have half the capabilities of one?
Huh?
A pickup isn't a dump truck, but it certainly has a certain fraction
of the capabilities of one.
bad analogy. they're both trucks.
the ipad is not a netbook, it's a tablet. it has a lot more in common
with a kindle than it does a netbook. it's in many ways, a kindle on an
awful lot of steroids.
Not a bad analogy at all. They're both handheld devices that run
applications and communicate. And one's capabilities are largely a
subset of the other's.

The book vs tablet difference is just the physical UI. To say they're
apples & oranges is like saying it's impossible to compare the
capabilities of a pen and a typewriter.
nospam
2010-04-10 03:24:55 UTC
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Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
A pickup isn't a dump truck, but it certainly has a certain fraction
of the capabilities of one.
bad analogy. they're both trucks.
the ipad is not a netbook, it's a tablet. it has a lot more in common
with a kindle than it does a netbook. it's in many ways, a kindle on an
awful lot of steroids.
Not a bad analogy at all.
yes it is
Post by John A.
They're both handheld devices that run
applications and communicate.
that's where it ends.

a cellphone is a handheld device that runs applications and
communicates, so by your metric, a cellphone is also a netbook.
Post by John A.
And one's capabilities are largely a
subset of the other's.
actually, they're different with some overlap.
Post by John A.
The book vs tablet difference is just the physical UI. To say they're
apples & oranges is like saying it's impossible to compare the
capabilities of a pen and a typewriter.
a pen is not a 'smaller typewriter' and an ipad is not a 'less capable
netbook.'
J. Clarke
2010-04-10 03:57:18 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
A pickup isn't a dump truck, but it certainly has a certain fraction
of the capabilities of one.
bad analogy. they're both trucks.
the ipad is not a netbook, it's a tablet. it has a lot more in common
with a kindle than it does a netbook. it's in many ways, a kindle on an
awful lot of steroids.
Not a bad analogy at all.
yes it is
Post by John A.
They're both handheld devices that run
applications and communicate.
that's where it ends.
a cellphone is a handheld device that runs applications and
communicates, so by your metric, a cellphone is also a netbook.
Post by John A.
And one's capabilities are largely a
subset of the other's.
actually, they're different with some overlap.
Post by John A.
The book vs tablet difference is just the physical UI. To say they're
apples& oranges is like saying it's impossible to compare the
capabilities of a pen and a typewriter.
a pen is not a 'smaller typewriter' and an ipad is not a 'less capable
netbook.'
He didn't say that it was a netbook, he said that it was less capable
than a netbook? Is the problem that (a) you're not a native speaker of
English, (b) you failed reading comprehension, (c) you're stupid or (d)
you're just a jackass?
nospam
2010-04-10 04:28:09 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
He didn't say that it was a netbook,
so why compare it to one?
Post by J. Clarke
he said that it was less capable
than a netbook?
it's not less capable. it does *different* things, with some overlap.
Post by J. Clarke
Is the problem that (a) you're not a native speaker of
English, (b) you failed reading comprehension, (c) you're stupid or (d)
you're just a jackass?
e) none of the above, but it looks like they apply to you.
C J Campbell
2010-04-10 15:16:03 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
A pickup isn't a dump truck, but it certainly has a certain fraction
of the capabilities of one.
bad analogy. they're both trucks.
the ipad is not a netbook, it's a tablet. it has a lot more in common
with a kindle than it does a netbook. it's in many ways, a kindle on an
awful lot of steroids.
Not a bad analogy at all.
yes it is
Post by John A.
They're both handheld devices that run
applications and communicate.
that's where it ends.
a cellphone is a handheld device that runs applications and
communicates, so by your metric, a cellphone is also a netbook.
Post by John A.
And one's capabilities are largely a
subset of the other's.
actually, they're different with some overlap.
Post by John A.
The book vs tablet difference is just the physical UI. To say they're
apples& oranges is like saying it's impossible to compare the
capabilities of a pen and a typewriter.
a pen is not a 'smaller typewriter' and an ipad is not a 'less capable
netbook.'
He didn't say that it was a netbook, he said that it was less capable
than a netbook? Is the problem that (a) you're not a native speaker of
English, (b) you failed reading comprehension, (c) you're stupid or
(d) you're just a jackass?
Well, what he said is about equivalent to saying that an automobile is
less capable than a boat. Meaningless.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
nospam
2010-04-10 15:25:37 UTC
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Post by C J Campbell
Well, what he said is about equivalent to saying that an automobile is
less capable than a boat. Meaningless.
why not have both a car *and* a boat? :)

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphicar>
C J Campbell
2010-04-10 15:40:38 UTC
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Post by Mr. Strat
In article
Post by C J Campbell
Well, what he said is about equivalent to saying that an automobile is
less capable than a boat. Meaningless.
why not have both a car *and* a boat? :)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphicar>
I like the way you think, but I prefer separate vehicles.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
tony cooper
2010-04-10 15:31:43 UTC
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:16:03 -0700, C J Campbell
Post by C J Campbell
Post by J. Clarke
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
A pickup isn't a dump truck, but it certainly has a certain fraction
of the capabilities of one.
bad analogy. they're both trucks.
the ipad is not a netbook, it's a tablet. it has a lot more in common
with a kindle than it does a netbook. it's in many ways, a kindle on an
awful lot of steroids.
Not a bad analogy at all.
yes it is
Post by John A.
They're both handheld devices that run
applications and communicate.
that's where it ends.
a cellphone is a handheld device that runs applications and
communicates, so by your metric, a cellphone is also a netbook.
Post by John A.
And one's capabilities are largely a
subset of the other's.
actually, they're different with some overlap.
Post by John A.
The book vs tablet difference is just the physical UI. To say they're
apples& oranges is like saying it's impossible to compare the
capabilities of a pen and a typewriter.
a pen is not a 'smaller typewriter' and an ipad is not a 'less capable
netbook.'
He didn't say that it was a netbook, he said that it was less capable
than a netbook? Is the problem that (a) you're not a native speaker of
English, (b) you failed reading comprehension, (c) you're stupid or
(d) you're just a jackass?
Well, what he said is about equivalent to saying that an automobile is
less capable than a boat. Meaningless.
Not all automobiles are less capable than a boat:

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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
C J Campbell
2010-04-10 15:47:27 UTC
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Post by tony cooper
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:16:03 -0700, C J Campbell
Post by C J Campbell
Post by J. Clarke
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
A pickup isn't a dump truck, but it certainly has a certain fraction
of the capabilities of one.
bad analogy. they're both trucks.
the ipad is not a netbook, it's a tablet. it has a lot more in common
with a kindle than it does a netbook. it's in many ways, a kindle on an
awful lot of steroids.
Not a bad analogy at all.
yes it is
Post by John A.
They're both handheld devices that run
applications and communicate.
that's where it ends.
a cellphone is a handheld device that runs applications and
communicates, so by your metric, a cellphone is also a netbook.
Post by John A.
And one's capabilities are largely a
subset of the other's.
actually, they're different with some overlap.
Post by John A.
The book vs tablet difference is just the physical UI. To say they're
apples& oranges is like saying it's impossible to compare the
capabilities of a pen and a typewriter.
a pen is not a 'smaller typewriter' and an ipad is not a 'less capable
netbook.'
He didn't say that it was a netbook, he said that it was less capable
than a netbook? Is the problem that (a) you're not a native speaker of
English, (b) you failed reading comprehension, (c) you're stupid or
(d) you're just a jackass?
Well, what he said is about equivalent to saying that an automobile is
less capable than a boat. Meaningless.
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Photography/Miscellanea/2010-03-27-005/820934679_RaFVY-XL.jpg
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Photography/Miscellanea/2010-03-27-006/820934755_wW4nx-XL.jpg

If
people expected vehicles to do as many different things as personal
computers, they would look like this:

http://www.argoatv.com/

I think I need one.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
John A.
2010-04-10 17:44:51 UTC
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:16:03 -0700, C J Campbell
Post by C J Campbell
Post by J. Clarke
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
A pickup isn't a dump truck, but it certainly has a certain fraction
of the capabilities of one.
bad analogy. they're both trucks.
the ipad is not a netbook, it's a tablet. it has a lot more in common
with a kindle than it does a netbook. it's in many ways, a kindle on an
awful lot of steroids.
Not a bad analogy at all.
yes it is
Post by John A.
They're both handheld devices that run
applications and communicate.
that's where it ends.
a cellphone is a handheld device that runs applications and
communicates, so by your metric, a cellphone is also a netbook.
Post by John A.
And one's capabilities are largely a
subset of the other's.
actually, they're different with some overlap.
Post by John A.
The book vs tablet difference is just the physical UI. To say they're
apples& oranges is like saying it's impossible to compare the
capabilities of a pen and a typewriter.
a pen is not a 'smaller typewriter' and an ipad is not a 'less capable
netbook.'
He didn't say that it was a netbook, he said that it was less capable
than a netbook? Is the problem that (a) you're not a native speaker of
English, (b) you failed reading comprehension, (c) you're stupid or
(d) you're just a jackass?
Well, what he said is about equivalent to saying that an automobile is
less capable than a boat. Meaningless.
Do you know what a pickup is?
ray
2010-04-10 02:57:54 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by ray
Post by nospam
Post by ray
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
it's not a netbook, nor is it half one.
You're right, of course, it doesn't even have half the capability of a
netbook - though it does cost over twice as much.
since it's not a netbook, how can it have half the capabilities of one?
A laptop is not a netbook either - it has all the capabilities of one and
more - but in a larger form factor.
C J Campbell
2010-04-10 03:03:16 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by nospam
Post by ray
Post by nospam
Post by ray
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
it's not a netbook, nor is it half one.
You're right, of course, it doesn't even have half the capability of a
netbook - though it does cost over twice as much.
since it's not a netbook, how can it have half the capabilities of one?
A laptop is not a netbook either - it has all the capabilities of one and
more - but in a larger form factor.
Ah. So something that has neither the form factor nor the purpose of a
netbook can still be described as being some portion of a netbook. Why
I am I not following your line of reasoning here?
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Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
nospam
2010-04-10 03:24:57 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by nospam
Post by ray
You're right, of course, it doesn't even have half the capability of a
netbook - though it does cost over twice as much.
since it's not a netbook, how can it have half the capabilities of one?
A laptop is not a netbook either - it has all the capabilities of one and
more - but in a larger form factor.
and how is that relevant to an ipad?
John A.
2010-04-10 04:42:00 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by ray
Post by nospam
Post by ray
You're right, of course, it doesn't even have half the capability of a
netbook - though it does cost over twice as much.
since it's not a netbook, how can it have half the capabilities of one?
A laptop is not a netbook either - it has all the capabilities of one and
more - but in a larger form factor.
and how is that relevant to an ipad?
Because the iPad is not some magical fairy device with mystical powers
running on moon dust. It's yet another digital device with
capabilities seen in other digital devices.

The fact that you work it with your fingers instead of a stylus or a
mouse & keyboard doesn't make it fundamentally different. It's just a
detail of the UI design.
nospam
2010-04-10 04:52:49 UTC
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Post by John A.
The fact that you work it with your fingers instead of a stylus or a
mouse & keyboard doesn't make it fundamentally different. It's just a
detail of the UI design.
it makes it very different.
John A.
2010-04-10 05:07:51 UTC
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Post by John A.
The fact that you work it with your fingers instead of a stylus or a
mouse & keyboard doesn't make it fundamentally different. It's just a
detail of the UI design.
it makes it very different.
It makes the UI different. Replace a truck's steering wheel and pedals
with a couple joysticks and you've got a very different driving
experience, but it's still a truck.
nospam
2010-04-10 05:12:57 UTC
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Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
The fact that you work it with your fingers instead of a stylus or a
mouse & keyboard doesn't make it fundamentally different. It's just a
detail of the UI design.
it makes it very different.
It makes the UI different. Replace a truck's steering wheel and pedals
with a couple joysticks and you've got a very different driving
experience, but it's still a truck.
bad analogy. that's like switching a mouse for a trackpad.

an ipad runs a different os than what's on a desktop, with different
apps designed for touch. it's not a laptop without a keyboard.
John A.
2010-04-10 05:32:26 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
The fact that you work it with your fingers instead of a stylus or a
mouse & keyboard doesn't make it fundamentally different. It's just a
detail of the UI design.
it makes it very different.
It makes the UI different. Replace a truck's steering wheel and pedals
with a couple joysticks and you've got a very different driving
experience, but it's still a truck.
bad analogy. that's like switching a mouse for a trackpad.
Or a mouse and keyboard for a touch screen. Hmmmm...
Post by nospam
an ipad runs a different os than what's on a desktop, with different
apps designed for touch. it's not a laptop without a keyboard.
So it's an oversized palmtop? (Come to think of it, my old Tungsten E
is sounding more and more like an iPad writ small.)

Other than the form factor and UI, what is fundamentally different
about it? Other than running a different OS in order to support the
form factor and UI, what is the difference between it and a laptop?

Macs, Windows PCs, and Linux PCs have different OSes, each running
programs designed for them and their UIs. Are they not all computers?
Chris Malcolm
2010-04-10 10:30:54 UTC
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Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
The fact that you work it with your fingers instead of a stylus or a
mouse & keyboard doesn't make it fundamentally different. It's just a
detail of the UI design.
it makes it very different.
It makes the UI different. Replace a truck's steering wheel and pedals
with a couple joysticks and you've got a very different driving
experience, but it's still a truck.
bad analogy. that's like switching a mouse for a trackpad.
Or a mouse and keyboard for a touch screen. Hmmmm...
Post by nospam
an ipad runs a different os than what's on a desktop, with different
apps designed for touch. it's not a laptop without a keyboard.
So it's an oversized palmtop? (Come to think of it, my old Tungsten E
is sounding more and more like an iPad writ small.)
Other than the form factor and UI, what is fundamentally different
about it? Other than running a different OS in order to support the
form factor and UI, what is the difference between it and a laptop?
Macs, Windows PCs, and Linux PCs have different OSes, each running
programs designed for them and their UIs. Are they not all computers?
My old university dept has to support users with all three kinds of
computers, and there are some locations where only one type of machine
and OS exists. But they want people to be able to move around and do
their general purpose computer work anywhere. So they devised
interfaces which make them all look and behave the same way when
running the usual office applications. You can't easily tell the
difference when running the usual office applications.

In fact when I'm reading email or newsgroups at home I use an
interface which not only runs the same on any Windows system as an
office Linux machine, it even runs the same on my ancient and obscure
Psion palmtop which runs the little known EPOC OS (versions of which
some Nokia phones use).
--
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nospam
2010-04-10 14:16:01 UTC
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Post by John A.
Other than the form factor and UI, what is fundamentally different
about it? Other than running a different OS in order to support the
form factor and UI, what is the difference between it and a laptop?
it's an entirely different product category that does some of the same
things as a traditional computer but with touch. the user experience is
very different. it also does a number of things that are difficult or
impossible on a desktop or laptop computer.
J. Clarke
2010-04-10 15:19:56 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Other than the form factor and UI, what is fundamentally different
about it? Other than running a different OS in order to support the
form factor and UI, what is the difference between it and a laptop?
it's an entirely different product category that does some of the same
things as a traditional computer but with touch. the user experience is
very different. it also does a number of things that are difficult or
impossible on a desktop or laptop computer.
Name one.
nospam
2010-04-10 16:12:40 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Other than the form factor and UI, what is fundamentally different
about it? Other than running a different OS in order to support the
form factor and UI, what is the difference between it and a laptop?
it's an entirely different product category that does some of the same
things as a traditional computer but with touch. the user experience is
very different. it also does a number of things that are difficult or
impossible on a desktop or laptop computer.
Name one.
how about four: location aware apps that use the gps and compass,
immersive games that use the accelerometer, a touch interface that's
not slapped onto a desktop os and a 3g radio with a no-contract data
plan that's significantly cheaper than what's available for laptops.
C J Campbell
2010-04-10 16:20:59 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Other than the form factor and UI, what is fundamentally different
about it? Other than running a different OS in order to support the
form factor and UI, what is the difference between it and a laptop?
it's an entirely different product category that does some of the same
things as a traditional computer but with touch. the user experience is
very different. it also does a number of things that are difficult or
impossible on a desktop or laptop computer.
Name one.
Far more portable than either, being thinner and lighter and having no
ungainly protrusions. Apparently it is the form factor itself which has
been praised by most reviewers.

Screen is right side up no matter the display orientation. It may seem
unimportant but it certainly impresses potential customers who have
been viewing my portfolio on my iPhone. The iPad would be even better
for this.

Look, we are photographers. And Rita's practical jokes aside, we are
mostly pretty good photographers. The only thing we have to sell that
differentiates us from one another is image -- and in the image
business, image is everything. If I want to show clients some photos, I
have several options. I can take a projector over to their place and,
with a great deal of fuss and bother and cables and rearranging
furniture and removing things from the wall, project pictures on a, um,
yellow background. I can hang a sheet up. Yeah, that looks professional.

Or I can take a laptop. I can set it up on the dining room table and
everyone can crowd around and look at it while I try to work the
keyboard and stuff. You don't get many jobs by inflicting physical pain
on your customers.

Or I can use an iPad. I can pull it out pretty much wherever I am, like
a business card. I find the picture I want, flip the pad over for the
bride or new mother and her friends to see and they go all giggles over
it. They can take it from me and, without any training whatsoever, hand
it around, browse through the pictures themselves, and so forth. Try
that with a laptop.

I think the iPad is possibly the greatest presentation device to come
along in decades. It is a step far beyond table bound laptops and
desktops.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
Alan Browne
2010-04-10 17:18:51 UTC
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Post by C J Campbell
I think the iPad is possibly the greatest presentation device to come
along in decades. It is a step far beyond table bound laptops and desktops.
Very true.

But regrettably otherwise crippled for practical use by photographers.
My hope was that it would be "Mac" OS X (to run PS Elements and DNG
converter), have more storage (128 GB). Then, with the other apps, it
would be all the computer I would need for most business and leisure
travel. I would even grudgingly forgive the lack of USB ports with the
above.

An "app" like DNG converter may indeed come along; but I doubt that
Adobe are going to come out with an iPad v. of Elements that is compiled
for the A4.

In fact Apple seem to have gone out of their way to make Adobe miserable:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/a-change-at-apple-causes-trouble-for-adobe/?scp=1&sq=apple%20adobe&st=cse

This is not limited to the flash v. HTML5 issue.
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Alan Browne
2010-04-10 17:53:38 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Other than the form factor and UI, what is fundamentally different
about it? Other than running a different OS in order to support the
form factor and UI, what is the difference between it and a laptop?
it's an entirely different product category that does some of the same
things as a traditional computer but with touch. the user experience is
very different. it also does a number of things that are difficult or
impossible on a desktop or laptop computer.
Since I've used various apps designed for desktops that were run on
touch screens w/o mods, I don't buy this at all. (These were not
perfect, but entirely usable w/o any issues at all).

Further, since apps for the iPad need to be re-compiled, re-layed out
for the display and linked to the Apple API's (legal requirement) that
provides the opportunity to improve the UI where it's not optimal as is.

These specious arguments go nowhere other than the big Kool-Aid drinkers
manual of defending the indefensible.
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J. Clarke
2010-04-10 15:19:35 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
The fact that you work it with your fingers instead of a stylus or a
mouse& keyboard doesn't make it fundamentally different. It's just a
detail of the UI design.
it makes it very different.
It makes the UI different. Replace a truck's steering wheel and pedals
with a couple joysticks and you've got a very different driving
experience, but it's still a truck.
bad analogy. that's like switching a mouse for a trackpad.
an ipad runs a different os than what's on a desktop, with different
apps designed for touch. it's not a laptop without a keyboard.
So what?
nospam
2010-04-10 16:12:37 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by nospam
an ipad runs a different os than what's on a desktop, with different
apps designed for touch. it's not a laptop without a keyboard.
So what?
it's a different product category.
C J Campbell
2010-04-10 15:51:57 UTC
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Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
The fact that you work it with your fingers instead of a stylus or a
mouse & keyboard doesn't make it fundamentally different. It's just a
detail of the UI design.
it makes it very different.
It makes the UI different. Replace a truck's steering wheel and pedals
with a couple joysticks and you've got a very different driving
experience, but it's still a truck.
If the interface was really unimportant, we could just go back to
entering 1s and 0s using buttons, paper tape, or punch cards. Who needs
frills like a screen or printer when you can just read the holes on a
paper tape?
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
John A.
2010-04-10 17:51:18 UTC
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:51:57 -0700, C J Campbell
Post by C J Campbell
Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
The fact that you work it with your fingers instead of a stylus or a
mouse & keyboard doesn't make it fundamentally different. It's just a
detail of the UI design.
it makes it very different.
It makes the UI different. Replace a truck's steering wheel and pedals
with a couple joysticks and you've got a very different driving
experience, but it's still a truck.
If the interface was really unimportant, we could just go back to
entering 1s and 0s using buttons, paper tape, or punch cards. Who needs
frills like a screen or printer when you can just read the holes on a
paper tape?
If it's such a fundamentally different device, how were you able to
trace its lineage back to early computers for a comparison of UI
design?

Replace the room-size cabinets, paper tape, punch cards, & toggles
with a hand-held body, touch screens and wireless interfaces and
you've got a very different computing experience, but it's still a
computer.
C J Campbell
2010-04-10 21:36:31 UTC
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Post by John A.
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:51:57 -0700, C J Campbell
Post by C J Campbell
Post by John A.
Post by nospam
Post by John A.
The fact that you work it with your fingers instead of a stylus or a
mouse & keyboard doesn't make it fundamentally different. It's just a
detail of the UI design.
it makes it very different.
It makes the UI different. Replace a truck's steering wheel and pedals
with a couple joysticks and you've got a very different driving
experience, but it's still a truck.
If the interface was really unimportant, we could just go back to
entering 1s and 0s using buttons, paper tape, or punch cards. Who needs
frills like a screen or printer when you can just read the holes on a
paper tape?
If it's such a fundamentally different device, how were you able to
trace its lineage back to early computers for a comparison of UI
design?
Replace the room-size cabinets, paper tape, punch cards, & toggles
with a hand-held body, touch screens and wireless interfaces and
you've got a very different computing experience, but it's still a
computer.
And you may still be a mammal, but I wouldn't want to marry you.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
Tom D
2010-04-10 21:56:02 UTC
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Post by John A.
Because the iPad is not some magical fairy device with mystical powers
running on moon dust. It's yet another digital device with
capabilities seen in other digital devices.
Funny you should say that. I was on Best Buy's site and they describe the
iPad as "A magical and revolutionary product..." ;-)
ray
2010-04-10 20:23:51 UTC
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Post by ray
You're right, of course, it doesn't even have half the capability of
a netbook - though it does cost over twice as much.
since it's not a netbook, how can it have half the capabilities of one?
A laptop is not a netbook either - it has all the capabilities of one
and more - but in a larger form factor.
and how is that relevant to an ipad?
Post by ray
Post by nospam
since it's not a netbook, how can it have half the capabilities of one?
Mr. Strat
2010-04-09 13:17:38 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
Atheist Chaplain
2010-04-09 13:18:26 UTC
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Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi
ray
2010-04-09 22:27:20 UTC
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Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
That I've got to see! What about all the lacking capability?
nospam
2010-04-10 02:13:41 UTC
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Post by Mr. Strat
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
That I've got to see! What about all the lacking capability?
it has *different* capabilities.

and why do you care? the ipad doesn't run linux.
ray
2010-04-10 02:58:47 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by Mr. Strat
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
That I've got to see! What about all the lacking capability?
it has *different* capabilities.
and why do you care? the ipad doesn't run linux.
I'm more interested in what it CAN do than what it runs.
Mr. Strat
2010-04-11 23:39:44 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
That I've got to see! What about all the lacking capability?
Lacking what...a camera? USB is so 20th century...get with it, man.
GMAN
2010-04-12 00:01:41 UTC
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Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
That I've got to see! What about all the lacking capability?
Lacking what...a camera? USB is so 20th century...get with it, man.
The only reason the iPad lacks a USB port is so that Apple can controll every
bit that passes from one location to the next. They can charge for the
bandwidth.
nospam
2010-04-12 00:37:04 UTC
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Post by GMAN
The only reason the iPad lacks a USB port is so that Apple can controll every
bit that passes from one location to the next. They can charge for the
bandwidth.
absolute nonsense. where do people come up with this stuff?
Doug McDonald
2010-04-12 01:01:27 UTC
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As said at beginning of thread:

best advice about iPad:

if you want one, BUY ONE

if you don't, don't

This device is one of those love or hate "by feeling" thingies

I hate Apple as a company, but, once I finally figured out (not easy)
how to make my iPod do what I want it to, I love it.
(It's permanently on Shuffle, and I change all the tracks when it
finishes playing all of them, taking a month or two. Problem is,
I have to redo every album to make a single piece of music
an "album" as it calls it.)

Doug McDonald
George Kerby
2010-04-12 13:56:10 UTC
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Post by GMAN
The only reason the iPad lacks a USB port is so that Apple can controll every
bit that passes from one location to the next. They can charge for the
bandwidth.
absolute nonsense. where do people come up with this stuff?
The National Enquirer. "GMAN" has a lifetime subscription.
Mr. Strat
2010-04-12 13:27:03 UTC
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Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
That I've got to see! What about all the lacking capability?
Lacking what...a camera? USB is so 20th century...get with it, man.
The only reason the iPad lacks a USB port is so that Apple can controll every
bit that passes from one location to the next. They can charge for the
bandwidth.
They have the ability to charge money for things transferring through
Bluetooth?
George Kerby
2010-04-12 13:57:40 UTC
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Post by Mr. Strat
Post by GMAN
Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
That I've got to see! What about all the lacking capability?
Lacking what...a camera? USB is so 20th century...get with it, man.
The only reason the iPad lacks a USB port is so that Apple can controll every
bit that passes from one location to the next. They can charge for the
bandwidth.
They have the ability to charge money for things transferring through
Bluetooth?
It's the 'voices' again...
RichA
2010-04-12 16:10:49 UTC
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Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Wait for HP to release its version.  No USB port Apple?  Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
That I've got to see! What about all the lacking capability?
Lacking what...a camera? USB is so 20th century...get with it, man.
The only reason the iPad lacks a USB port is so that Apple can controll every
bit that passes from one location to the next. They can charge for the
bandwidth.
They are bucking for the same kinds of fines in Europe that Microsoft
has faced.
CNN:

Like other Apple products, the iPad -- released Saturday -- does not
run Flash, making some games and videos unusable.

Apple CEO Steve Jobs has reportedly called Flash "buggy" and a memory
hog. But there's also a financial aspect to the dispute.

Roughly three-quarters of the video on the Internet uses Flash, and
allowing it on Apple products would give customers options other than
applications sold through the official Apple store.
nospam
2010-04-12 17:05:37 UTC
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In article
Post by RichA
Like other Apple products, the iPad -- released Saturday -- does not
run Flash, making some games and videos unusable.
most of those games are designed for a mouse/keyboard interface, not
touch, so they would not work very well on an ipad. plus, a lot of them
already have native iphone apps anyway.
Post by RichA
Apple CEO Steve Jobs has reportedly called Flash "buggy" and a memory
hog. But there's also a financial aspect to the dispute.
it *is* buggy and a memory hog. look at the joojoo review where battery
life dropped significantly when playing flash.
Post by RichA
Roughly three-quarters of the video on the Internet uses Flash, and
allowing it on Apple products would give customers options other than
applications sold through the official Apple store.
a lot of sites support h.264 and html5. youtube videos automatically
play without any issue, which is what most embedded video is.

it really isn't a major issue.
Mr. Strat
2010-04-13 02:04:33 UTC
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Post by RichA
They are bucking for the same kinds of fines in Europe that Microsoft
has faced.
Screw Europe.
Post by RichA
Like other Apple products, the iPad -- released Saturday -- does not
run Flash, making some games and videos unusable.
Apple CEO Steve Jobs has reportedly called Flash "buggy" and a memory
hog. But there's also a financial aspect to the dispute.
Roughly three-quarters of the video on the Internet uses Flash, and
allowing it on Apple products would give customers options other than
applications sold through the official Apple store.
Flash is crappy technology. It *is* a memory hog and a great way to
distribute malware. Android doesn't have Flash either.
Ray Fischer
2010-04-13 02:30:30 UTC
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Post by GMAN
Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Post by Mr. Strat
Post by ray
Wait for HP to release its version.  No USB port Apple?  Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
That I've got to see! What about all the lacking capability?
Lacking what...a camera? USB is so 20th century...get with it, man.
The only reason the iPad lacks a USB port is so that Apple can controll every
bit that passes from one location to the next. They can charge for the
bandwidth.
They are bucking for the same kinds of fines in Europe that Microsoft
has faced.
You really don't know the first thing about business, do you?
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***@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
2010-04-10 03:55:26 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
How can you tell? You can't run the same applications. You can't set
up a comparable test. You can't even define what "outperform" means.
The claim is meaningless.
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***@sonic.net
Mr. Strat
2010-04-11 23:40:31 UTC
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Post by Mr. Strat
The iPad will outperform a netbook easily.
How can you tell? You can't run the same applications. You can't set
up a comparable test. You can't even define what "outperform" means.
The claim is meaningless.
I've used a netbook...I've used an iPad. I don't need to run the same
apps. Netbooks are a piece of shit.
SMS
2010-04-09 22:28:48 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
There are several points:

1. $15 or $30/month data service, with unlimited service for half of
what Verizon and AT&T charge for 5GB on a laptop.

2. An apps store filled with low cost games and other content.

3. 10 hours of battery life, something no laptop or netbook can match.

4. An attempt to expand the market share of the iPhone OS.

Bottom line, despite the iPhone's success, it still is far behind the
two dominant mobile phone OSes in terms of market share, and Android is
growing at a much faster rate. Apple needs to quickly increase market
penetration of their mobile OS before Android can dominate. That's why
they're finally coming out with a Verizon version of the
iPhone--ignoring the largest U.S. carrier, that has the largest and
fasted 3G network, is no longer going to work because Android devices
will fill the void if Apple doesn't act quickly.
C J Campbell
2010-04-10 02:57:54 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by ray
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
Half a netbook for over twice the price - what's the point?
1. $15 or $30/month data service, with unlimited service for half of
what Verizon and AT&T charge for 5GB on a laptop.
2. An apps store filled with low cost games and other content.
3. 10 hours of battery life, something no laptop or netbook can match.
4. An attempt to expand the market share of the iPhone OS.
Bottom line, despite the iPhone's success, it still is far behind the
two dominant mobile phone OSes in terms of market share, and Android is
growing at a much faster rate. Apple needs to quickly increase market
penetration of their mobile OS before Android can dominate. That's why
they're finally coming out with a Verizon version of the
iPhone--ignoring the largest U.S. carrier, that has the largest and
fasted 3G network, is no longer going to work because Android devices
will fill the void if Apple doesn't act quickly.
Largest? Maybe. Fastest? Definitely not. In many areas, Verizon's 3G
creeps along at a rate barely better than AT&T's Edge network. It is
all right, I guess, for Verizon's marketing people to cherry pick a
couple markets and claim "fastest," but on any objective level it
simply is not true.

As for market share, one thing to keep in mind is how people actually
use their phones. For example, iPhone's browser share of use is 64% in
the US. That is, iPhone's browser gets used more than twice as much as
all other phone browsers combined. What does that tell you about
usability? Android's OS market share has come entirely at the expense
of RIM and Windows.

iPhone is hardly far behind the two dominant mobile phone OSes in terms
of market share. The February 2010 AdMob put iPhone's worldwide (and,
let's face it, the US is not the dominant market in Smartphones) market
share of Smartphones at 50%. You cannot be 50% and be behind anyone,
let alone two other OSes. Android was 24% and Symbian was 18% (down
from 43% in February 2009).

Android is gaining rapidly, but it remains to be seen whether it will
continue to gain so rapidly in the face of iPhone 4.0.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
Ray Fischer
2010-04-09 05:49:04 UTC
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Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
If I don't buy an iPad it won't be because some know-nothing
anti-Apple bigot's whinings. You're not qualified to offer
any advice and the advice you spew anyway isn't even worth
what people pay for it.
--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net
R. Mark Clayton
2010-04-09 14:02:42 UTC
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Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
No they are that predatory about locking in customers...
C J Campbell
2010-04-09 14:12:16 UTC
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On 2010-04-09 07:02:42 -0700, "R. Mark Clayton"
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
No they are that predatory about locking in customers...
No, USB is obsolete. The iPad is supposed to connect wirelessly.

Apple is allowing competing bookstores to put their apps on the iPad.
They are allowing enterprises to develop their own apps and download
them and update them directly to employees' iPads over wi-fi and 3G.
They are introducing multitasking this fall. And if you really need an
old-fashioned, obsolete USB port because your IT team is still stuck in
the 20th century, you can have one.

Rich is generally 100% wrong about everything. I doubt that he is able
to get his shoes on the right feet.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
George Kerby
2010-04-09 14:44:40 UTC
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On 4/9/10 9:12 AM, in article
Post by C J Campbell
On 2010-04-09 07:02:42 -0700, "R. Mark Clayton"
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
No they are that predatory about locking in customers...
No, USB is obsolete. The iPad is supposed to connect wirelessly.
Apple is allowing competing bookstores to put their apps on the iPad.
They are allowing enterprises to develop their own apps and download
them and update them directly to employees' iPads over wi-fi and 3G.
They are introducing multitasking this fall. And if you really need an
old-fashioned, obsolete USB port because your IT team is still stuck in
the 20th century, you can have one.
Rich is generally 100% wrong about everything. I doubt that he is able
to get his shoes on the right feet.
You really think he's advanced enough to be wearing shoes?
Stuffed Crust
2010-04-09 15:04:05 UTC
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Post by C J Campbell
They are introducing multitasking this fall. And if you really need an
old-fashioned, obsolete USB port because your IT team is still stuck in
the 20th century, you can have one.
Yeah, because nobody would EVER need to attach a peripheral to an iPad.

USB is used for more than bulk storage and network connectivity.

Oh, and the OS4 "multitasking" isn't; it's more accurate to call it
"background services".

- Solomon
--
Solomon Peachy pizza at shaftnet dot org
Melbourne, FL ^^ (mail/jabber/gtalk) ^^
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
SMS
2010-04-09 15:28:25 UTC
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Post by Stuffed Crust
Post by C J Campbell
They are introducing multitasking this fall. And if you really need an
old-fashioned, obsolete USB port because your IT team is still stuck in
the 20th century, you can have one.
Yeah, because nobody would EVER need to attach a peripheral to an iPad.
USB is used for more than bulk storage and network connectivity.
Oh, and the OS4 "multitasking" isn't; it's more accurate to call it
"background services".
The iPad is what's called an MCD in industry circles, a media
consumption device. Nothing wrong with that of course, but what it can't
be, because of the hardware limitations, is a general purpose platform
used for all the applications that a regular tablet PC is used for.

The market for MCDs is far greater than the market for tablet computers,
so Apple will sell a gazillion iPads. They're going to become a very
popular gaming device and movie player for kids, and a popular web pad
for adults. The processor is fast enough for these applications, but
still low power enough for the device to have excellent battery life,
something you can't get on a full featured tablet computer.

The HP Slate has some advantages and some disadvantages compared to the
iPad. Because of its more powerful processor, battery life is half of
the iPad, yet because it's running Windows, performance will likely be
worse than the iPad despite the more powerful processor. On the plus
side, it can play 1080p HD video, it has two cameras (the iPad has
none), and it has a built in SD card reader and built in video out
(extra cost options with a kludgy dongle on the iPad). It has 4 times
the amount of user accessible SDRAM (1GB versus 256MB on the iPad). Not
sure about 3G, it may require an external USB 3G dongle.

Of course one big disadvantage of the HP Slate is that there apparently
won't be any $30/month unlimited 3G service. Since the Slate is a full
featured product running standard browsers that support Flash, there is
no way any carrier is going to give HP the same kind of sweet deal that
Apple got.

I would wager that the HP Slate is not going to be successful with
consumers, but will gain a following among techies using it for vertical
applications. General purpose tablet computers have only gained a
following in vertical market applications. You can buy a thin and light
computer with a more powerful processor for about the same price of an
HP Slate. For gaming, you're better off with a larger screen and a game
controller than a touch screen. For general purpose use you want a real
keyboard.

And of course HP does not have Apple's marketing capability. There are
no HP stores, a much poorer support infrastructure, and no HP fanbois.
C J Campbell
2010-04-10 01:58:05 UTC
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Post by SMS
In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems C J
Post by C J Campbell
They are introducing multitasking this fall. And if you really need an
old-fashioned, obsolete USB port because your IT team is still stuck in
the 20th century, you can have one.
Yeah, because nobody would EVER need to attach a peripheral to an iPad.
USB is used for more than bulk storage and network connectivity.
Oh, and the OS4 "multitasking" isn't; it's more accurate to call it
"background services".
It is really funny. This is like the people who keep insisting that OS
X does not support true 64 bit processing. It is the old "moving the
goal posts" fallacy. Apple adds multitasking, then say it is not "true"
multitasking.

Note that these critics will never tell you what "true" multitasking
is, either. After all, people might hold the devices and operating
systems they say are better to the same standards. That would never do.
Post by SMS
The iPad is what's called an MCD in industry circles, a media
consumption device. Nothing wrong with that of course, but what it
can't be, because of the hardware limitations, is a general purpose
platform used for all the applications that a regular tablet PC is used
for.
The market for MCDs is far greater than the market for tablet
computers, so Apple will sell a gazillion iPads. They're going to
become a very popular gaming device and movie player for kids, and a
popular web pad for adults. The processor is fast enough for these
applications, but still low power enough for the device to have
excellent battery life, something you can't get on a full featured
tablet computer.
The HP Slate has some advantages and some disadvantages compared to the
iPad. Because of its more powerful processor, battery life is half of
the iPad, yet because it's running Windows, performance will likely be
worse than the iPad despite the more powerful processor. On the plus
side, it can play 1080p HD video, it has two cameras (the iPad has
none), and it has a built in SD card reader and built in video out
(extra cost options with a kludgy dongle on the iPad). It has 4 times
the amount of user accessible SDRAM (1GB versus 256MB on the iPad). Not
sure about 3G, it may require an external USB 3G dongle.
The thing about Apple's products that a lot of people don't get is the
very sensitive and extremely accurate touch screen. So far no one else
even comes close. A higher resolution screen is absolutely useless if
you can't manipulate it.
Post by SMS
Of course one big disadvantage of the HP Slate is that there apparently
won't be any $30/month unlimited 3G service. Since the Slate is a full
featured product running standard browsers that support Flash, there is
no way any carrier is going to give HP the same kind of sweet deal that
Apple got.
First of all, standard browsers do not support Flash, as Flash is not a
recognized standard. If a browser supports Flash it is by definition a
non-standard browser. Flash is not a recognized web standard. HTML5 is
a recognized web standard. But Flash is just an Adobe application which
Adobe could modify, withdraw from service, or render incompatible at
any time. There is no recognized body that regulates "Flash" as a
"standard."

Not that this (or any of the supposed arguments about Apple wanting
total control) has kept Apple from allowing Safari to support Flash.
Conspiracy theories aside, if Apple really hated Flash that much it
would not be running on Macs, either. And as it turns out, there are
good technical reasons for not supporting Flash on small devices like
the iPhone and iPad.

It appears that the main reason Apple is not supporting Flash on the
iPad is that Flash interferes with multitasking. Apple's multitasking
is implemented in seven APIs. Fast Switching allows apps to be frozen
in the background so they don't use any additional system resources
whatsoever. Task Completion, on the other hand, allows apps in the
background to finish working without changing the behavior of other
apps. Push Notifications and Local Notifications let apps "sleep" while
listening for certain events. Background Audio, VOIP, and Background
Location deliver their services to apps running in the background.

Other platforms just allow any number of apps to run, draining the
battery and hogging resources whether they need to or not. It is so bad
that Microsoft removed multitasking form Windows Phone 7. It just
attempts to save state for each app it puts on hold.

Further, Push Notification means that iPhone apps do not constantly
poll their servers the way Blackberry apps frequently do, draining
battery life and hogging bandwidth.

Now, put Flash into Apple's multitasking scheme. See a problem there?
Flash is precisely the kind of resource hog that drains batteries and
takes up bandwidth that Apple is trying to avoid, and it insists on
uselessly running even when it is in the background. I mean, really, do
you need a banner ad running across a web browser over and over in the
background, perhaps even trying to grab control of the speaker at the
same time? Flash is what is wrong with other devices trying to
multitask today. People blame viruses and spyware for their computers
bogging down, but things like Flash are, in fact, just as likely to be
a big part of their problem.

It seems to me that when people say that the iPad and iPhone do not
have true multitasking then what they really mean is that the iPad and
iPhone do not have a crappy, poorly implemented, battery draining form
of multitasking like they are used to.

There is absolutely nothing that stops Adobe from developing a version
of Flash that would meet the needs of the iPhone/iPad API. Yet Adobe
does not do this. That is certainly not Apple's fault.
Post by SMS
I would wager that the HP Slate is not going to be successful with
consumers, but will gain a following among techies using it for
vertical applications. General purpose tablet computers have only
gained a following in vertical market applications. You can buy a thin
and light computer with a more powerful processor for about the same
price of an HP Slate. For gaming, you're better off with a larger
screen and a game controller than a touch screen. For general purpose
use you want a real keyboard.
And of course HP does not have Apple's marketing capability. There are
no HP stores, a much poorer support infrastructure, and no HP fanbois.
Sad, too. HP managed to steal the laser printer business from Apple
simply by building better and cheaper printers than the Apple
LaserWriter. Remember that thing? If HP actually managed to build
something that was a whole order of improvement over the iPad, instead
of another clunky "me too" tablet that is going to blue screen on you
every few days while it bogs down on "multitasking" apps, they could do
it again. Unfortunately, HP does not look like they are going to do
that.

I once was an unabashed HP fanboy, by the way. But even I had to admit
one day that I could not keep one of their PDAs running for more than a
few days before it crashed or even gave up the ghost completely. And HP
couldn't even seem to make innovative printers any more. They were
losing business to Xerox, for crying out loud. And I have never seen an
HP computer that ran for more than a few months without developing
serious problems. My last three HPs were actually flagged by Microsoft
for having "unauthorized" copies of Windows on them! That was it, for
me.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
Doug McDonald
2010-04-10 02:29:20 UTC
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Post by C J Campbell
Now, put Flash into Apple's multitasking scheme. See a problem there?
Flash is precisely the kind of resource hog that drains batteries and
takes up bandwidth that Apple is trying to avoid, and it insists on
uselessly running even when it is in the background. I mean, really, do
you need a banner ad running across a web browser over and over in the
background, perhaps even trying to grab control of the speaker at the
same time?
Well, actually, yes, if you want the Web to function correctly.

Flash is an absolute necessity for full web service, like it or not.
I hate the damn thing, of course, but sellers love it.
Post by C J Campbell
There is absolutely nothing that stops Adobe from developing a version
of Flash that would meet the needs of the iPhone/iPad API. Yet Adobe
does not do this. That is certainly not Apple's fault.
To do so would require that the API allow an ap to keep running
completely in the background, if it wished, especially to do things like
run banners to attract attention. Does the API allow this?

Doug McDonald
C J Campbell
2010-04-10 03:00:53 UTC
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Post by Doug McDonald
Post by C J Campbell
Now, put Flash into Apple's multitasking scheme. See a problem there?
Flash is precisely the kind of resource hog that drains batteries and
takes up bandwidth that Apple is trying to avoid, and it insists on
uselessly running even when it is in the background. I mean, really, do
you need a banner ad running across a web browser over and over in the
background, perhaps even trying to grab control of the speaker at the
same time?
Well, actually, yes, if you want the Web to function correctly.
Flash is an absolute necessity for full web service, like it or not.
I hate the damn thing, of course, but sellers love it.
Post by C J Campbell
There is absolutely nothing that stops Adobe from developing a version
of Flash that would meet the needs of the iPhone/iPad API. Yet Adobe
does not do this. That is certainly not Apple's fault.
To do so would require that the API allow an ap to keep running
completely in the background, if it wished, especially to do things
like run banners to attract attention. Does the API allow this?
Doug McDonald
Ah. So basically you think that an app should be able to cripple all
other apps for its own special purpose of spamming you with ads while
draining your battery and jamming your phone. No, the API does not
allow that. Sorry.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
Stuffed Crust
2010-04-10 13:31:00 UTC
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Post by C J Campbell
It is really funny. This is like the people who keep insisting that OS
X does not support true 64 bit processing. It is the old "moving the
goal posts" fallacy. Apple adds multitasking, then say it is not "true"
multitasking.
Yes, OSX didn't support native 64-bit processing in userspace until Snow
Leopoard's release. Apple trumpeted this as one of its big new features.
(See http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/#sixtyfourbit)
Post by C J Campbell
Note that these critics will never tell you what "true" multitasking
is, either. After all, people might hold the devices and operating
systems they say are better to the same standards. That would never do.
Okay, do you really want to know? The explanation is going to be
technical and boring, and in the end, you'll probably just counter with
"so what, it looks the same to the user?"
Post by C J Campbell
It appears that the main reason Apple is not supporting Flash on the
iPad is that Flash interferes with multitasking. Apple's multitasking
is implemented in seven APIs. Fast Switching allows apps to be frozen
Eh, that's bullshit. A much more poignant reason is that most flash
stuff is designed for mouse interation (especially "hovering") and as
such simply won't work with a touch interface.
Post by C J Campbell
It seems to me that when people say that the iPad and iPhone do not
have true multitasking then what they really mean is that the iPad and
iPhone do not have a crappy, poorly implemented, battery draining form
of multitasking like they are used to.
You do realize you're just "moved the goalposts" by redefining what
"multitasking" is to suit your argument?
Post by C J Campbell
There is absolutely nothing that stops Adobe from developing a version
of Flash that would meet the needs of the iPhone/iPad API. Yet Adobe
does not do this. That is certainly not Apple's fault.
See section 3.3.1 of the "proposed" OS4 SDK license. Adobe is
dissallowed from writing a version of Flash without special dispensation
from Apple, and even then, anyone wanting to actually use Flash would
also have to get special dispensation.

- Solomon
--
Solomon Peachy pizza at shaftnet dot org
Melbourne, FL ^^ (mail/jabber/gtalk) ^^
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
nospam
2010-04-10 14:13:00 UTC
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Post by Stuffed Crust
Post by C J Campbell
It is really funny. This is like the people who keep insisting that OS
X does not support true 64 bit processing. It is the old "moving the
goal posts" fallacy. Apple adds multitasking, then say it is not "true"
multitasking.
Yes, OSX didn't support native 64-bit processing in userspace until Snow
Leopoard's release. Apple trumpeted this as one of its big new features.
(See http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/#sixtyfourbit)
nonsense. os x has supported 64 bit user space since tiger, 5 years
ago. i think mathematica was 64 bit in tiger, among a few others. your
link even says so: "Earlier versions of Mac OS X have offered a range
of 64-bit capabilities."

snow leopard is the first version that has a 64 bit kernel, making it
*completely* 64 bit, but that is not necessary for a user space app
unless you need more than 32 gigs of memory. very few people need the
64 bit kernel since there aren't many 64 bit drivers (yet).
Post by Stuffed Crust
Post by C J Campbell
It appears that the main reason Apple is not supporting Flash on the
iPad is that Flash interferes with multitasking. Apple's multitasking
is implemented in seven APIs. Fast Switching allows apps to be frozen
Eh, that's bullshit. A much more poignant reason is that most flash
stuff is designed for mouse interation (especially "hovering") and as
such simply won't work with a touch interface.
true, as well as being proprietary and a battery hog.
Post by Stuffed Crust
Post by C J Campbell
It seems to me that when people say that the iPad and iPhone do not
have true multitasking then what they really mean is that the iPad and
iPhone do not have a crappy, poorly implemented, battery draining form
of multitasking like they are used to.
You do realize you're just "moved the goalposts" by redefining what
"multitasking" is to suit your argument?
he didn't.
Post by Stuffed Crust
Post by C J Campbell
There is absolutely nothing that stops Adobe from developing a version
of Flash that would meet the needs of the iPhone/iPad API. Yet Adobe
does not do this. That is certainly not Apple's fault.
See section 3.3.1 of the "proposed" OS4 SDK license. Adobe is
dissallowed from writing a version of Flash without special dispensation
from Apple, and even then, anyone wanting to actually use Flash would
also have to get special dispensation.
actually, that part isn't why.
J. Clarke
2010-04-10 15:22:54 UTC
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Post by Stuffed Crust
Post by C J Campbell
It is really funny. This is like the people who keep insisting that OS
X does not support true 64 bit processing. It is the old "moving the
goal posts" fallacy. Apple adds multitasking, then say it is not "true"
multitasking.
Yes, OSX didn't support native 64-bit processing in userspace until Snow
Leopoard's release. Apple trumpeted this as one of its big new features.
(See http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/#sixtyfourbit)
Post by C J Campbell
Note that these critics will never tell you what "true" multitasking
is, either. After all, people might hold the devices and operating
systems they say are better to the same standards. That would never do.
Okay, do you really want to know? The explanation is going to be
technical and boring, and in the end, you'll probably just counter with
"so what, it looks the same to the user?"
Post by C J Campbell
It appears that the main reason Apple is not supporting Flash on the
iPad is that Flash interferes with multitasking. Apple's multitasking
is implemented in seven APIs. Fast Switching allows apps to be frozen
Eh, that's bullshit. A much more poignant reason is that most flash
stuff is designed for mouse interation (especially "hovering") and as
such simply won't work with a touch interface.
Seven APIs? What did they do, dust off pre OS/X MacOS? Geez, talk
about a giant leap backward . . .
Post by Stuffed Crust
Post by C J Campbell
It seems to me that when people say that the iPad and iPhone do not
have true multitasking then what they really mean is that the iPad and
iPhone do not have a crappy, poorly implemented, battery draining form
of multitasking like they are used to.
You do realize you're just "moved the goalposts" by redefining what
"multitasking" is to suit your argument?
Post by C J Campbell
There is absolutely nothing that stops Adobe from developing a version
of Flash that would meet the needs of the iPhone/iPad API. Yet Adobe
does not do this. That is certainly not Apple's fault.
See section 3.3.1 of the "proposed" OS4 SDK license. Adobe is
dissallowed from writing a version of Flash without special dispensation
from Apple, and even then, anyone wanting to actually use Flash would
also have to get special dispensation.
- Solomon
Ray Fischer
2010-04-10 18:25:56 UTC
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Post by Stuffed Crust
Post by C J Campbell
It is really funny. This is like the people who keep insisting that OS
X does not support true 64 bit processing. It is the old "moving the
goal posts" fallacy. Apple adds multitasking, then say it is not "true"
multitasking.
Yes, OSX didn't support native 64-bit processing in userspace until Snow
Leopoard's release. Apple trumpeted this as one of its big new features.
(See http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/#sixtyfourbit)
You didn't read that carefully enough.

They say that specific applications have been made 64-bit, not that
the OS was changed.
--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net
SMS
2010-04-09 15:33:17 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
No they are that predatory about locking in customers...
The iPad is a media consumption device (MCD). It's not about locking in
customers, it's about selling media content. Think of the iPad as a
Kindle with expanded functionality for gaming, web browsing, and
entertainment and education, not as a tablet PC with reduced
functionality. The attacks on the iPad seem to be based on "it can't do
all these things that a laptop or a netbook can do but it costs more"
while the focus should be on the things that it can do better than a
laptop or netbook.
RichA
2010-04-10 03:27:03 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Wait for HP to release its version.  No USB port Apple?  Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
No they are that predatory about locking in customers...
The iPad is a media consumption device (MCD). It's not about locking in
customers, it's about selling media content. Think of the iPad as a
Kindle with expanded functionality for gaming, web browsing, and
entertainment and education, not as a tablet PC with reduced
functionality.
We are still in the infancy of things other than notebooks and home
computers. We can avoid this overpriced junk until something better
comes along. Something 8.5x11, that is 5mm thick, relatively light,
folds in half, has a screen where you can choose reflective and
emission display and is FULLY FUNCTIONAL!
Post by SMS
The attacks on the iPad seem to be based on "it can't do
all these things that a laptop or a netbook can do but it costs more"
while the focus should be on the things that it can do better than a
laptop or netbook.
Fleece the sheep you mean.
Josh
2010-04-15 06:28:14 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
No they are that predatory about locking in customers...
The iPad is a media consumption device (MCD). It's not about locking in
customers, it's about selling media content. Think of the iPad as a
Kindle with expanded functionality for gaming, web browsing, and
entertainment and education, not as a tablet PC with reduced
functionality.
We are still in the infancy of things other than notebooks and home
computers. We can avoid this overpriced junk until something better
comes along. Something 8.5x11, that is 5mm thick, relatively light,
folds in half, has a screen where you can choose reflective and
emission display and is FULLY FUNCTIONAL!
Post by SMS
The attacks on the iPad seem to be based on "it can't do
all these things that a laptop or a netbook can do but it costs more"
while the focus should be on the things that it can do better than a
laptop or netbook.
The one button printing is pretty cool:
http://www.theformgroup.com/about/blog/2010/04/how-to-print-from-an-ipad
whisky-dave
2010-04-16 12:32:55 UTC
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Post by RichA
Post by SMS
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Wait for HP to release its version. No USB port Apple? Are you THAT
paranoid about content control??
No they are that predatory about locking in customers...
The iPad is a media consumption device (MCD). It's not about locking in
customers, it's about selling media content. Think of the iPad as a
Kindle with expanded functionality for gaming, web browsing, and
entertainment and education, not as a tablet PC with reduced
functionality.
We are still in the infancy of things other than notebooks and home
computers. We can avoid this overpriced junk until something better
comes along.
Depends on how long 'we' have to wait, in the UK it's an extra month.
Post by RichA
Something 8.5x11, that is 5mm thick, relatively light,
folds in half, has a screen where you can choose reflective and
emission display and is FULLY FUNCTIONAL!
Nah not worth it I'm waiting for the 40" widescreen version
that can fold up to the size of a postage stamp and won;t ever need
charging.
And if it's fully fuctioning I'd expect a specialsed socket for pron, and a
kettle point
and a bottle opener.
Roy Smith
2010-04-16 12:50:11 UTC
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Post by whisky-dave
And if it's fully fuctioning I'd expect a specialsed socket for pron, and a
kettle point
and a bottle opener.
Kettle point? What's that? Google and Wikipedia only come up with
references to geographic locations.
Robert Haar
2010-04-16 12:55:43 UTC
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Post by whisky-dave
Post by RichA
Something 8.5x11, that is 5mm thick, relatively light,
folds in half, has a screen where you can choose reflective and
emission display and is FULLY FUNCTIONAL!
Nah not worth it I'm waiting for the 40" widescreen version
that can fold up to the size of a postage stamp and won;t ever need
charging.
And if it's fully fuctioning I'd expect a specialsed socket for pron, and a
kettle point
and a bottle opener.
You are not thinking far enough ahead. Let's get away from the need for a
physical display and keyboard entirely. How about a device that projects a
virtual screen (maybe a holographic 3D display) and uses a camera or laser
to track hand and finger motions. Package it into a small unit, maybe a set
of glasses or even a neural implant.

But you might have to wait 10 to 20 years for it to be practical.

Personally, I think the iPad is the next step in transforming how people
interact with computers but we will have to see if the design works for
enough people to catch on. For the people who want a PC experience in a
tablet form factor, the iPad isn't it and isn't intended to be.

whisky-dave
2010-04-12 12:32:29 UTC
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Post by RichA
Wait for HP to release its version.
Nah, the apps store is what'll make the iPad a best buy option.
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